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Grain Elevator Reuse

What would you reuse this building for?

  • Brewery sounds good

    Votes: 8 34.8%
  • Hotel

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other commercial use (explain)

    Votes: 2 8.7%
  • Other industrial use (explain)

    Votes: 3 13.0%
  • Knock the eyesore down!

    Votes: 5 21.7%
  • Just tell me when it opens, I want free beer!!!

    Votes: 5 21.7%

  • Total voters
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donk

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don't forget

celine dion, avril lavine, shania twain, bachman turner overdrive, the guess who, killer dwarves, kim mitchell, DOA, Forgotten Rebels, haywire, helix, gowan, men without hats, cory hart, luba, martha and the muffins......

i could go on for hours
 
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As much as I would like it to be a brewery, you need something else. Because:

1) For a microbrewery that you thinking about, you need only have 300 to 500 square feet of space initially.

2) The bigest problem with your average brew pub is that they are BORING AS HEAVEN ON A SATURDAY NIGHT!

3) The beer is ALWAYS overpriced. The mega brewers put an ounce on the table, from the fields to you, for about 2.5 cents per ounce. A micro brewer is a bit more expensive, so the price is about 38 to 50 cents a pint.

a) The product is then an overpriced beer for an acceptable poduct
b) The product is aimed at people who no longer drink often enough to support the brewery properly
c) The beer is a lost leader, a brewpub is usually a way to get middle aged people out to eat.



Solution, buy the building, use multiple uses such as residential spaces that people build to suit. A brewery with two or three pubs dispensing alcahol from the same spigot. All of them named something different with different labels. Each label pegged at a different price in order to cover the collage crowd to the empty nesters. Include some specialized entertainment areas.

OK, that my idea any way. :)
 

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donk said:
don't forget

celine dion, avril lavine, shania twain, bachman turner overdrive, the guess who, killer dwarves, kim mitchell, DOA, Forgotten Rebels, haywire, helix, gowan, men without hats, cory hart, luba, martha and the muffins......

i could go on for hours
But you don't have to. Two Words: Neil Young, eh!
 
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Duke Of Dystopia said:
Solution, buy the building, use multiple uses such as residential spaces that people build to suit. A brewery with two or three pubs dispensing alcahol from the same spigot. All of them named something different with different labels. Each label pegged at a different price in order to cover the collage crowd to the empty nesters. Include some specialized entertainment areas.

OK, that my idea any way. :)
-These are pretty good ideas, expecially multiple uses for a building that size. I think with the amount of storage space in the building itself should be able to lower the price of the brew by storing some of the grain bought in bulk. Different uses sounds like a good idea, for different drinkers. Residential use sounds good to me, and you could even through some hotel rooms in there as well.
-But remember, Rumpy's Rampage will never be overpriced!!!:b:
 

Tranplanner

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You can find out more on Toronto's on-agin/off-again "Metronome" project here . Not sure what the status is right now.

EDIT - pic deleted, that was way too big - sorry.
 
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Rumpy Tuna said:
-....I think with the amount of storage space in the building itself should be able to lower the price of the brew by storing some of the grain bought in bulk. ......-But remember, Rumpy's Rampage will never be overpriced!!!:b:
You might actually have a brewpub that could be interesting to visit.

$1 pints will give you the volume you need to pack the place crazy, leading to a need for VAST quatities of beer to be produced. :)

Also, at that price, you can make an OK beer for a GREAT price, and people will percieve it to be AMAZING! I can hear the cash register ringing now! :)

You could sponsor a "Lesbian Night at the Grain Elevator". Don't envite the cops :)
 
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Duke Of Dystopia said:
You might actually have a brewpub that could be interesting to visit.

$1 pints will give you the volume you need to pack the place crazy, leading to a need for VAST quatities of beer to be produced. You could sponsor a "Lesbian Night at the Grain Elevator". Don't envite the cops :)
-Lets up the ante', how bought throwing some bowling lanes in there. And $4 pitchers....
 
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Rumpy Tuna said:
-Lets up the ante', how bought throwing some bowling lanes in there. And $4 pitchers....
At those prices and these customers, you better call the sewer plant early in the evening and tell 'em to amp it up!!!
 
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Weighty Challenge

After reading all the posts about a brewer's-adaptation, I naturally got excited, given my preoccupation with brew-pursuits. But Buffalo has a good brewpub already...the Pearl Street...and that market couldn't sustain both until some "magic economic renaissance" which has eluded the city for such a long time transpires.

I'd say advertising or storage would be good bets. And retain one in original condition for archival purposes (an industrial age theme park?) to show future generations that something was "indeeed made here" before all of our productive capacity was shipped overseas and sold back to us.....
 
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Re: Weighty Challenge

Miles Ignatius said:
After reading all the posts about a brewer's-adaptation, I naturally got excited, given my preoccupation with brew-pursuits. But Buffalo has a good brewpub already...the Pearl Street...and that market couldn't sustain both until some "magic economic renaissance" which has eluded the city for such a long time transpires.

I'd say advertising or storage would be good bets. And retain one in original condition for archival purposes (an industrial age theme park?) to show future generations that something was "indeeed made here" before all of our productive capacity was shipped overseas and sold back to us.....
-Yes Pearl Street has good beer at $3, and Flying Bison also has a brewery that you can tour, but $1 beers and all the other wackiness could make this work. Storage of grain and other materials would make the overhead costs low, plus if you did a little haggling with the transportation authority and got them to extend the light rail to the place (tracks run right behind the building) and set up some places for the boats to tie down, I think this thing could fly, reguardless of the current economics in Buffalo.
 

Otis

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Duke Of Dystopia said:
The beer is ALWAYS overpriced. The mega brewers put an ounce on the table, from the fields to you, for about 2.5 cents per ounce. A micro brewer is a bit more expensive, so the price is about 38 to 50 cents a pint.
Let's see, if a pint is 16 ounces . . . the mega brewers do 40 cents a pint. Hmmm.


There's a hotel in a grain elevator in Akron. The Buffalo building is so big you could do a brewery, a hotel, lofts, self-storage, a Wal-mart, a Home Depot, a parking lot, a performing arts center, and an NBA/NHL arena and still have space left over for Sifried and Roy to do a tiger show. Sigfried anyway.
 
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Rich Townsend said:
Let's see, if a pint is 16 ounces . . . the mega brewers do 40 cents a pint. Hmmm.


There's a hotel in a grain elevator in Akron. The Buffalo building is so big you could do a brewery, a hotel, lofts, self-storage, a Wal-mart, a Home Depot, a parking lot, a performing arts center, and an NBA/NHL arena and still have space left over for Sifried and Roy to do a tiger show. Sigfried anyway.
LOL, maybe I could get Sigfried a lesbian partner. I've heard about the Hotel in Akron. Hmmmnnn.......
 
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If your serious about doing something with the elevator, tell us what is around it. Is it close to other entertainment, boating, residential, or some kind of use that people would naturally go to on thier own. Would you be creating a "hidden little spot" of activity that can stand alone?

If you have a brewpub that is viable on its own, you would have to do the research to vary your market from the other a bit. Buffalo should be able to handle another one as Madison WI has 2 or 3 just blocks away from each other. Green Bay has 2 within a stones throw of each other also.

With a lack of commercial brewing experience, you will need to start out smaller. A commercial brewery itself is not that huge. Linenkugels has one just off the highway on I-43 north to Green Bay out of Milwaukee. I am guessing that plant is only about 15k to 20k in square footage.

You are going to need some other kind of draw. The bowling alley works good. Make some kind of contract that says any use that sells alcahol must carry your beer in thier stock. ( captive market, YAY! :) )
 
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Rich Townsend said:
Let's see, if a pint is 16 ounces . . . the mega brewers do 40 cents a pint. Hmmm.
Most mega brewers sell by the 12 ounce bottle in most venue's. Thats 30 cents per bottle. Arn't you glad you get to shell out $2 to $2.50 per bottle of swill? The price of the container to drink it in is included.

Micro-brewers can put a pint on the table for 40 to 50 cents because they do not have the cost of bottling or shipping. They draw from casks of beer on wheels. In other words, the price from vat to table includes the discount for bulk containers. Once you start talking about bottling and shipping the price per unit skyrockets.

Put it this way. A bottling machine will initially cost you more than the brweing equipment and the brewmaster to make the beer.
 
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Make it a Lesbian micro-brewery. With all the influx of lesbians, there sould be some good number of lipstick lesbians who are also bi. So we (all men) should have a chance to fulfill our one commoon fantasy. We could think of some name or names for the brew - that would warrant an entirely new thread.
 
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Duke Of Dystopia said:
If your serious about doing something with the elevator, tell us what is around it. Is it close to other entertainment, boating, residential, or some kind of use that people would naturally go to on thier own. Would you be creating a "hidden little spot" of activity that can stand alone?

With a lack of commercial brewing experience, you will need to start out smaller. A commercial brewery itself is not that huge. Linenkugels has one just off the highway on I-43 north to Green Bay out of Milwaukee. I am guessing that plant is only about 15k to 20k in square footage.

You are going to need some other kind of draw. The bowling alley works good. Make some kind of contract that says any use that sells alcahol must carry your beer in thier stock. ( captive market, YAY! :) )
-Keep in mind that this is a project I am currently working on, but in the long haul, this is something I would like to do.
-I'll put a link to the site of where the Grain Elevator is located.

http://erie-gis.co.erie.ny.us/website/buffalony/Viewer.htm links not working right, let me find another pic.
-the red dots are where the parcel of land the building is on is located.
-The building is located in an industrial area along the buffalo river and is about 2 minutes from downtown (driving). About a 10-15 minute walk. Residential areas exist to the east and north.
There's boating access, railroad access, but the road access would have to be improved. It could actually be a stand alone type of place. As for starting out I would have to start out small but in reality I would like to do this some day.
 
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