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Dan

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Tide said:
Is that true? If so that is outrageous! You could never accomodate that density in anything but sky high flats.
When Buffalo's population was at its peak of 600,000 in 1951, the population density was around 12,500 residents per square mile - with high rise apartments only in a very small portion of the city. When the approximately 40% of land that was in vacant, underwater or predominantly industrial is discounted, the density rises to 20,833 residents per square mile - the majority living in detached single family houses and two-flats.

Here's an aerial photograph of a typical Buffalo neighborhood in 1951.

 

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I'm still trying to figure out the purpose to all of that green space. It's not virgin land or unspoiled, as its surrounded by city pod things, and its not coherently structured, like a park. It's just kind of... there. Is it agricultural? It MIGHT be a bit more useful in that role, and that would certainly cement your utopian moniker for your plan. Sustainable local agriculture or something. But otherwise pretty placeless - which, really, seems to be what you are going for. This is like modernism distilled.
 
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Again, thanks for your comments so far.

About the population and the size of the hexagons, pods and roundabouts: I have to leave that to the planners proper to make sense of the numbers. The design is flexible and the scale has not been set for this reason.

abrowne said:
I'm still trying to figure out the purpose to all of that green space. It's not virgin land or unspoiled, as its surrounded by city pod things, and its not coherently structured, like a park. It's just kind of... there. Is it agricultural?
The green land can be what ever you want. Unless you have an ambulance or some form of other emergency vehicle or a tractor - you cant drive on it, and you cant build on it (permanent structures). Sport events, concerts, woodland, agriculture, parks, birdwatching, canoeing,... You can do what you want. There are no rules, just guidelines that aim to clarify the idea.
 
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Closing Comment

I think this round of debate has come to an end. So I wanted to wrap up soon with a view to EDIT the documentation I have on the website http://www.ex1st.com/hexcity I will post again when the changes have been made. Please post you ideas on plan presentation:

Which is the best way to present the plan?

Do you know of any well documented plans that where easy to absorb?
How were they presented?
Can you send me a link to it?
How do I break things down?
How can I improve the website I have at the moment?
Do I need more images?
Is there any terminology I need to use?


Thank you all for comments and conisderations.
 

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Just for kicks and my own curiosity why wouldn't this alternative with green belts (which are much more accessable to surrounding hexes) and more highly concentrated residential areas work? then you have your green belts seperating your uses (to a degree) or then each hex could be a residential or industrial use completely seperated by greenery? Just some thoughts.
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That's what I suggested awhile ago - thought it would balance better. I think the fellow is pretty heart set on his method, though.
 
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abrowne said:
That's what I suggested awhile ago - thought it would balance better. I think the fellow is pretty heart set on his method, though.
I just thought you would be isolating the residential areas more, like islands. Expanding on Tides idea... How about a more divese aproach. A random pattern throughout the city:
Some hexagon centers parks others residential.
Some pods commercail others industial others residential others parks.
The subway terminals still pop up at the centre of each pod.

Any thoughts on the presentation, folks? Or does it look good / professional.

 
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exhibition1st - I think your theory is decent ... if we ever populate Mars you'll be the first to call. I think on the small scale the blocks don't mesh well and the traffic patterns can be a bit confusing, people like a direct path to work. However, on the large scale, say each hex is a city, not a neighborhood, the model probably works much better. Say the lines you drew are the highways and inside the hex the city has been able to grow more naturally, but in the scheme of the region the hexes work like villages, towns, or cities (which could be a super hex).

My 2 cents, play with it if you like.
 

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I think you're barking up the wrong tree here, so to speak. Fundamentally the rigid form you propose is entirely un-civic in that cities tend to be adaptable and flexible, and when they are not, they often fail. And by relaxing this rigid form you are leaving behind the reasons for proposing it in the first place, so either position is questionable. I think as a large city this would be mostly disastrous, but I'm reminded of Soleri's arcology concept... this might work wonderfully as small outposts, or an "ideal" urban agricultural village (by this I mean dense, rural development). I think downscaling this to only a few (say less than 3, ideally 1) hex's and developing and living along sustainanable guidelines would be an interesting application.

The presentation on the web site was excellent, I thought. The navigation was kind of intuitive and counterintuitive all at once. Once I got the hang of it I was speeding along. It was unclear at times what was a subheading vs a larger heading (of the links - ie which lead to a new page vs. a new section on the current page).

The reason I had proposed swapping the green for the developed land was to try and correct the ratio to something more useful. I had no designs on mix of uses or segregation of uses... simply a swapping of green and built.
 
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savemattoon said:
Looks like my Grandma's couch;-)
Where do you think i got the idea from?

Tide said:
... people like a direct path to work...
Sure they do. But few people have one. I live up the road from my work place, I wouldnt go to work by car coz its too close. The rest of the neighbours drive all over the place to get to work. My point is, they dont have adirect route anaway.
 
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limited imagination

When putting out an idea for people to comment on I expected to get a range of opinions about the idea in general, concerns that had been already considered and included in the design (please read the documentation) and concerns that I hadn't foreseen. This last one being the most helpful and humbling.

Thanks again for all the comments you posted. This is a first for me. Its the time I use a forum, the first time I try to design regional planning (or planning of any kind) and the first time I get feedback from people in the filed.

I wanted to write about how some of these comments have struck me. Im not setting out to point posts out, just to express what effect they have had on me in general.

The most frustrating wasn't people commenting on things that are in the documentation, I do the same thing when I try to use a VCR without reading the manual. The most frustrating thing was a cynical or pessimistic overtone in some posts. You can comment on something... lets say "litter".

"There will be a lot of litter."...


Already they have visualized the environment differently to what I see it as. And why does it seem to be, most of the time, a disastrous world. Might this have something to do with not giving a young designer the chance to plan something interesting - collaboratively.

About collaboration, "prevention" or "solution" are lacking in their post. You might as well say "There is a pencil jabbed in you back and you are going to die." instead of doing something about it. Well, at least I know why I might die. The comment about the litter is like saying "You are going to die." not including any rational explanation or reason why this might happen.

Facts may not be supported. How can you predict something like that without testing it? I don't know **** about litter simulations, but I know you don't just knock one up and post about it. NOTE: If anyone can make a simulation for HexCity I would be very willing to part with some money.

Please don't be limited by your own imagination and think about the possibilities. Thank you to those who have done so in this thread.
 
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What's up Charles. I decided to revisit da original site 2 add my 2 cents.

:D:D:):):):(:(:D:-c8-!:)

ha ha ha halha!

Seriously, Though I wish Hex City were real. I have a few ideas of my own to share. Soon I want to post them here. "The only place for hex theorist and city designers to come together and share idea." Thanks for putting this out there... I enjoy your work. Good Evening from Memphis TN. Let me see if I can find something on my computer to share that is Hexagonal like!

____Damn.. I can't figure out how to post an image but, I will be back later to try again. Love da plan Charles. Peace. Bro.
 
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Just for kicks and my own curiosity why wouldn't this alternative with green belts (which are much more accessable to surrounding hexes) and more highly concentrated residential areas work? then you have your green belts seperating your uses (to a degree) or then each hex could be a residential or industrial use completely seperated by greenery? Just some thoughts.
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Why not a living cell inside the honeycomb that raises young and produces food like the honey bees comb. A land of milk and honey like a matrix to plan other stuff on it could be layered with other perfect tessallations like the perfect square and perfect triangle. Connect the suspended maxtrixs into one comb. The individual has a choice of that matrix or level to live on. Hanging from da sky this kyte can be set free to roll threw da milky way and beyond. ::)D):(
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Fish Rule

EXCUSE me. I want to know how many people are in this group is it 88? Interesting thing about repeating numbers. LIke utopian dream they repeat over and over again every 100 years or so. Who am I? To judge. I am an artist. I specialize in honeycomb designs. This plan is a feast for me. Like nothing I have seen before.

Welcome to the show. Ladies and Gentle man please come inside. Good Evening. You will not believe your eyes. Your ears? Ladies and Gentle man Please come inside. Come a little bit closer to my side of da room. Lend me your ear. I have arrived to raise da room on this one by any way I can. I will help.

Collaboration Accepted

Charles. It's been so long man. I can't help but laugh. ha ha. Da last time I spoke to you I was living in public housing. I bought your book even though I can't read it. You sent me da English version. It took me almost 2 years to read it. I've been busy. I am out of public housing now. Have my own place in da sun wit a beautiful view of da forrest near
Shelby Farms Park da largest urban park in America. It is less than a mile from were I live. I have a farming plot of land at da farm. I like to grow Okra it is a very hardy plant. I cook for myself and my girlfriend all the time and have gotten pretty good. I cook other things. Mostly vegatables and meat. I love to eat sushi and drink Reeds Ginger Brew. If you are ever in da U.S. I'd like to meet you for lunch. Chat wit you later buddy. I have to learn some more stuff on da internet friend.

If I had a Billion or even a Trilliion dollars I would try to make Hex City happen man. Bro. Well my lunch is ready........ DougGorin
 
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