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How about some birth control for Christmas instead?

Dan

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From the New Orleans Times-Picayune.

And baby makes 10 for single mother
Her holiday wish is for a better life
Wednesday November 26, 2003

Thanksgiving may find Edrina, 32, giving birth to a new baby, a daughter, the doctors say, who is due on the holiday. The new baby will add to Edrina's already very busy household when she comes home to join nine brothers and sisters.
Ten kids? No wonder you don't have money!

Do you know how hard it is to be a liberal Democrat with people like you ruining everything? Keep your damn legs shut!
 

ludes98

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Wow. That is bad. This is what makes it hard to support our current system. She is being cut off of welfare. I am glad about that, the current system makes me sick. So will being cut off make it any better? Doubtful. Now what will happen? These kids could end up homeless. Then we can talk about them in that thread. Going to pray? How about a job? Kids won't get motivated to work with Mom's attitude.
 

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Well, we could go after the father(s) of the kids and start making them pay! Not one mention of a father in that article! What's up with that??
 

Jen

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That makes me mad too, all I see is a human way out of control in their personal life, I have sympathy for the kids not much for her or her mens. Maybe her pregnancies and new babies get her the attention that makes her feel good.
Big families can be a blessing, if the environment is good. How is raising ten kids in/ a gutter tribal culture good for anybody?

:-x
 

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These holiday period stories do make you think. However, I was accused of being heartless when I questioned why a 58 year old woman who needed public housing assistance had another daughter at age 49. I bet public assistance paid for the extra medical costs, as well.

Dan: You ain't no liberal, man :) Heck, I don't even know if I am.
 

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When asked what she will do, Edrina says: "Just pray."
pray that what? god will get you out of the mess you got yourself into?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you need a freakin' license to DRIVE(an admitedly easy thing to do), there needs to be licensure for child rearing(not that it'll ever happen, but I can dream, right?) Does this smack of too many gov't regulations? :)
 

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Let me guess, she's a catholic? She believes that birth control is evil? or was she fooled 10 times with the "yeah I did put the condom on" story?
Having 10 kids was natural... in 1900.
 

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martini said:
I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you need a freakin' license to DRIVE(an admitedly easy thing to do), there needs to be licensure for child rearing(not that it'll ever happen, but I can dream, right?) Does this smack of too many gov't regulations? :)
I dream of this too sometimes. I think the closest we have come is allowing cousins (maybe it is second cousins) to marry if one is incapable of reproduction. Can anyone validate this or think of any others?

IF it were to even see light of day, how would you evaluate who is capable? IQ tests? (Sorry MZ) Income? Race? Family history? I don't think you can generate a criteria that is fair to all people.
 

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SkeLeton said:
Let me guess, she's a catholic? She believes that birth control is evil? or was she fooled 10 times with the "yeah I did put the condom on" story?
Having 10 kids was natural... in 1900.
Let us not forget how high the mortality rate was for children to see adulthood in the past, or even today in some parts of the world. Modern medicine helps more people live than in the past and live longer. Retiring at 60 wasn't so bad if you only lived to be 75, but what if you live to be 90?
 

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My Plan:

Conception Permits should be granted by the Zoning Board of Review in every jurisdiction. A couple would go before the board and present a "family planning strategy" that will plan out how many kids they will have and how they will care for them. Potential parents will have to prove that they will be involved in the kid's life, not yell at umpires, and steer them away from society's crappier elements. Kids born without a proper Conception Permit will be taken by the state to labor on public works projects.

I am writing my congressman now.
 

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Seabishop said:
My Plan:

Conception Permits should be granted by the Zoning Board of Review in every jurisdiction. A couple would go before the board and present a "family planning strategy" that will plan out how many kids they will have and how they will care for them. Potential parents will have to prove that they will be involved in the kid's life, not yell at umpires, and steer them away from society's crappier elements. Kids born without a proper Conception Permit will be taken by the state to labor on public works projects.

I am writing my congressman now.
LOL! thats perfect!
 

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"There are 10 of us now and I stay in a one-bedroom apartment -- just picture that. I wish I could do better."

You should have said that after your first child at 16! What a joke. She can't keep her legs crossed or keep it shrink wrapped. The odds are highly against her and her children at succeeding in life.
 

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It's really very simple...

Single mom, on welfare, gets one kid. People make mistakes, right? Great... Now, every third check you get in the mail comes with a form to have signed and returned by the health clinic that gives you your depo shot.

You want more kids? Fine... Get off the depo and get off the dole. Have three more and want back on the dole? Too bad.
 

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SkeLeton said:
Let me guess, she's a catholic? She believes that birth control is evil? or was she fooled 10 times with the "yeah I did put the condom on" story?
Having 10 kids was natural... in 1900.
Uh, Skel? Generally, Catholics who believe that birth control is "evil" also believe that having kids out of wedlock is a problem. Try to avoid jumping to stereotypical conclusions, OK?

Methinks this lady wasn't fooled...she knew exactly what she was doing.
 

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Sounds like she's desperate for attention, and hoping one of the daddies will do right by her and hang around longer than it takes to fertilize the egg.

Jackson Five? The Osmonds? She's going for the Edrina Elevens...
 

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DecaturHawk said:
Uh, Skel? Generally, Catholics who believe that birth control is "evil" also believe that having kids out of wedlock is a problem. Try to avoid jumping to stereotypical conclusions, OK?
Sorry DH, I didn't know that she had multiple partners when I posted that... My apologies to any catholic that felt offended. :)
 
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The thing that makes me so crabby about this whole situation is that there are thousands and thousands of women out there in stable situations that can provide a good loving home for a child and are aching to get pregnant just once, but can't without all sorts of crazy medical intervention, and this woman has TEN that she can't take care of. ugh. makes me so sad.
 

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Ah, home.

A while ago, wasn't there a candidate for some office in Louisiana that advocated putting welfare recipients in work camps until the got a job? I think he might have been running for senator against landrieu? An intriguing idea to say the least--let them stay on welfare as long as they want, but make them work for it.

(please scary libertarians, don't hurt me too much)
 
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ilikefish0 said:
Ah, home.

A while ago, wasn't there a candidate for some office in Louisiana that advocated putting welfare recipients in work camps until the got a job? I think he might have been running for senator against landrieu? An intriguing idea to say the least--let them stay on welfare as long as they want, but make them work for it.

(please scary libertarians, don't hurt me too much)
Sounds like Woody Jenkins.
 

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Downtown said:
The thing that makes me so crabby about this whole situation is that there are thousands and thousands of women out there in stable situations that can provide a good loving home for a child and are aching to get pregnant just once, but can't without all sorts of crazy medical intervention, and this woman has TEN that she can't take care of. ugh. makes me so sad.

Amen downtown! My wife and I were having trouble and saw women like this who just got looked at right and were preggers. While Lisa and I worked our asses off(well it wasn't HARD work;) ), and we couldn't get anything 'till we went on a round of drug therapy. We've got freinds that are having much more trouble and are going through the fertilization thing now.

You're still here, so things must be stable, eh?
 
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martini said:
We've got freinds that are having much more trouble and are going through the fertilization thing now.
It is simply amazing to me how many of my friends are having so many problems getting pregnant. We tried for two years, my best friend is going on a year and another friend tried for a year and a half. its just crazy how many people i know are going to fertility specialists and aren't even out of their 20's yet.


martini said:
You're still here, so things must be stable, eh?
ugh. don't get me started. :)
 

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Downtown said:
It is simply amazing to me how many of my friends are having so many problems getting pregnant. We tried for two years, my best friend is going on a year and another friend tried for a year and a half. its just crazy how many people i know are going to fertility specialists and aren't even out of their 20's yet.
I've heard that fertility problems are becoming more common over time. Has this been shown to be true, or is it propoganda from organic living people? If so, I wonder what it is that is making it more difficult to perform one of life's basic functions in a time of peace, prosperity, and medical advancement.
 

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Seabishop said:
I've heard that fertility problems are becoming more common over time. Has this been shown to be true, or is it propoganda from organic living people? If so, I wonder what it is that is making it more difficult to perform one of life's basic functions in a time of peace, prosperity, and medical advancement.
My guess is the usual suspect for the modern diseases: Stress.
It would be natural that if the body is stressed, fertility rates go down, because the body would sense that things aren't normal and it would be recomendable to lower fertility rates so any stress due to (the now even more common) nutritional problems or hunger wouldn't be agravated.
 

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what problems

Seabishop said:
I've heard that fertility problems are becoming more common over time. Has this been shown to be true, or is it propoganda from organic living people? If so, I wonder what it is that is making it more difficult to perform one of life's basic functions in a time of peace, prosperity, and medical advancement.
i understand 'the pill' to be 99% effective. my first child fell under the 1% rule.

it only took one planned event for our second to come about.

fertility has not been a problem for my wife and I.

but this 10 kids thing? She needs a snip or two.
 
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