Beaner, what's the point of being a planner if you don't engage in a little "polemical crap"? Planning per se is not really a technical discipline. If someone is not going to think about tjhe theoretical issues, then we have no special knowledge or skills that merit the existence of the profession. Is Mugbub right? Are we to be only permit processors? If so, why not just go the Cincinatti route and turn everything over to the "Economic Development" or the engineers in Public Works?