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Is it me or is Skyscraper City blah?

Do you like Skyscraper City?

  • Skyscraper City rocks!!

    Votes: 2 8.0%
  • It's good enough

    Votes: 2 8.0%
  • It's not Cyburbia!

    Votes: 14 56.0%
  • Trash

    Votes: 7 28.0%

  • Total voters
    25

Jeff

Cyburbian
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What is this SSC you speak of?

Seems like all the geeks over here come from there.
 

Tranplanner

maudit anglais
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I find the pics interesting, but most of the discussions are pretty juvenile. Anything serious quickly degenerates. I'm so glad that never happens here ;)
 

The Irish One

Member
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I find the pics interesting, but most of the discussions are pretty juvenile. Anything serious quickly degenerates. I'm so glad that never happens here
Just because conversations reduce to lesbianism doesn't mean they're degenerate. It's a natural pattern.
But seriously the conversation goes from bad to worse, lots of flaming.
 

SkeLeton

Cyburbian
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4,853
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From the few vists of that site, all I can say is: It's just not Cyburbia... mabye a Cyburbia bastard son... and they're right when they say that conversations quickly degenerate (not in the Cyburbia Style™) and turn into my skyscraper is better than yours flame wars. Juvenile to say the least.
 

martini

Cyburbian
Messages
678
Points
19
Boring. Boring boring. Are there anyother sites to visit. Honestly, I found Cyburbia first and haven't really left...
 

jordanb

Cyburbian
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3,232
Points
25
The place is basically full of trolls, but there's a lot more discussion about urbanity there than here, which I like. Usually a thread takes a good five or ten posts to go to hell, so the first page of comments tend to be pretty good. And if you're in the mood, the trolls can be fun too. ;)

The "skybar" is pathetic though.
 

Rumpy Tunanator

Cyburbian
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4,473
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I got to say that its garbage. This place is much better. Sure they got pretty pics, but we've got rugged pics of dutch dykes and ms. afgan.
I checked out some of the forums and one was about being an only child? Where's the tacos and dykes?
 

BKM

Cyburbian
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6,463
Points
29
urbanphoto's discussion board is relatively slow as to number of posts, but its very "intellectual." Tends to the liberal/radical side (one fundamentalist catholic was hooted off pretty quickly when he complained about a gay bar in his neighborhood)-so be warned.
 

biscuit

Cyburbian
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3,904
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I voted trash, although, I don't really think it's really trash. It's just very dull. I spent my lunch hour looking through there and all I can say is "boring." Many of the subjects that get discussed in SCC seem interesting, and I wouldn't mind bringing up a few of them here, but once you start reading the responses they quickly degenerate into nothing but trolls, flames and boosterism. It was very tiresome after a short while.

I did notice a few post by our Great Leader and a couple of other Cyburbanites over there. Dan, are you cheating on us or was it only a short meaningless fling?
 

jordanb

Cyburbian
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3,232
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BKM said:
urbanphoto's discussion board is relatively slow as to number of posts, but its very "intellectual." Tends to the liberal/radical side (one fundamentalist catholic was hooted off pretty quickly when he complained about a gay bar in his neighborhood)-so be warned.
Yeah, urbanphoto seems like it'd be exactly what I'm looking for in terms of urban discussion, except that it's way too slow. Too bad. Can there really be that few urbanists on the internet?
 

BKM

Cyburbian
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Well, jordanb. Maybe there should be a serious/positive invasion of the board to bring it back to life :)

Not that I could speak for the mods or anything.
 

NHPlanner

A shadow of my former self
Staff member
Moderator
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biscuit said:
I did notice a few post by our Great Leader and a couple of other Cyburbanites over there. Dan, are you cheating on us or was it only a short meaningless fling?
I've been there a few times....mostly looking for Gallery abusers....those that use up a lot of space here in the gallery and hotlink their images to SSC. That issue has been taken care of for the most park....and I took no enjoyment in deleting over 1000 pictures a couple of weeks ago. ;)
 

biscuit

Cyburbian
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3,904
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Y'all are right about the discusssions being juvenile. I took a look at the todays birthday list on SSC and noticed that the average age seemed to around 15. Fifteen year old computer geeks who take themselves way to seriously are not really the types one seeks out to carry on a decent conversation with.

Case in point. One thread I looked at was trying to compile a list of the 10 CITIES with the largest Gross National Products in the world - Think about that one for a minute. Anyway, the entire thread is nothing but flaming and not one of the posters even seemed to know what GNP actually is to begin with.

I'd rather be doing my work...
 

jordanb

Cyburbian
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NHPlanner said:
I've been there a few times....mostly looking for Gallery abusers....those that use up a lot of space here in the gallery and hotlink their images to SSC. That issue has been taken care of for the most park....and I took no enjoyment in deleting over 1000 pictures a couple of weeks ago. ;)
Why not just ban referrals from SSC?
 

jordanb

Cyburbian
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3,232
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biscuit said:
Case in point. One thread I looked at was trying to compile a list of the 10 CITIES with the largest Gross National Products in the world - Think about that one for a minute. Anyway, the entire thread is nothing but flaming and not one of the posters even seemed to know what GNP actually is to begin with.
They must have been thinking of city-states. ;)
 

Tranplanner

maudit anglais
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7,918
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jordanb said:
Why not just ban referrals from SSC?
'cause we don't have a problem with people cross-posting images. We only have a problem when they start leeching bandwidth.
 

NHPlanner

A shadow of my former self
Staff member
Moderator
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jordanb said:
Why not just ban referrals from SSC?
There are some from SSC that do not abuse, and post threads here. Plus, that would be Dan's call, not mine or any of the mods.
 

Cirrus

Cyburbian
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303
Points
11
SSC is an inferior rip off of SkyscraperPage, which is the same basic idea, but far less annoying. It is possible to have a good discussion there without it degenerating in to "Toronto is better than Chicago" (although that does happen from time to time). Actually, the folks who run UrbanPhoto also got their start as SkyscraperPage, and still post there frequently (it's much busier).
 

Dan

Dear Leader
Staff member
Moderator
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18,709
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I don't want to see this discussion as the official Cyburbia point-of-view regarding SkyscraperCity, SkyscraperPage, UrbanPhoto or SkyscraperAmerica, so I'll chime in.

The skyscraper sites are not Cyburbia rip-offs. They started off as what I call "armchair architecture and urbanist" sites, and eventually became VERY popular. The architecture aspect has a very broad appeal, IMHO because the aesthetic appeal of a skyscraper is more easily ascertained by the masses than the complicated dynamics of urbanized areas and the built environment in general.

An urbanism-related discussion on one of the skyscraper sites compared to one on Cyburbia will be as similar as New York and Los Angeles. Let's take a discussion about ... oh, Atlanta. The discussion on a skyscraper site will likely focus on the "ooh aah!" aspect of the built environment, like skylines (both downtown and Buckhead), edge cities, MARTA, Hartsfield International Airport, shopping malls, and so on. On Cyburbia, we'll be more likely to talk about traffic congestion, sprawl, Georgia's reputation as the nation's most billboard-cluttered state, the challenges of being a planner in a pro-growth "anything goes" environment, TOD related to MARTA stations, gentrification in the MLK District, and the like.

I'll post my Buffalo photo threads to SkyscraperPage as well as here, because there are far more current and former Buffalonians active over there than here; I enjoy the feedback. Same thing with Buffalo-related threads in the Northeast US subforum. All my posts have the Cyburbia URL in the signature, so those interested can have a look here.

There are actually a few planners at SSP and SSC, including a former co-worker, currently employed in a suburban Denver local government agency . I've had no luck getting any of the stray planners over here.

The differences between the sites, IMHO?

Cyburbia - http://www.cyburbia.org
Peak forum user time: weekday morning and afternoons in the US and Canada (~50-75 users)
Yours truly. The serious planning/urbanism site, with an edge. Forum posters tend to be older than those on the skyscraper sites, and the majority are professional planners and planning students. Architecture isn't really a topic, except in the context of related issues like historic preservation and design regulations.

SkyscraperPage - http://www.skyscraperpage.com
Peak forum user time: nights (~125-150 users)
The 60 ton monster of skyscraper fan sites; it's been around since 1998. Finely crafted skyscraper diagrams are the site's specialty, but the forums are very busy. Recently added a photo gallery. Most users are younger "armchair architects" and "armchair planners" ; think of the audience of "Modern Marvels" and similar shows on Discovery Channel. Considered North America-centric., but still has a good amount of traffic from Europe, South America and China.

SkyscraperCity - http://www.skyscrapercity.com
Peak forum user time: throughout the day (~75-100 users)
Local forums for various countries, with foreign language subforums. Dominated by European and Australian skyscraper fans. More sub-forums than SkyscraperPage, but each sub-forum is less active than the equivalent on SkyscraperPage.

SkyscraperAmerica - http://skyscraperamerica.com
Peak forum user time: nights (1-5 users)
Supposedly founded by users who got banned from Skyscraper Page and/or SkyscraperCity. Users cannot mention SkyscraperAmerica on SkyscraperPage.

UrbanPhoto - http://www.urbanphoto.net
Peak forum user time: nights (1-5 users)
Great articles and photo essays. Much more blog-like than the other sites. The forums are slow, but the discussion is more intellectually stimulating than the other skyscraper sites. Lots of Canadians. Left/liberal orientation.

I learned a lot from the skyscraper sites when the Forums were rebuilt, and I'll offer them partial credit for Cyburbia's second wind.
 

Rumpy Tunanator

Cyburbian
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4,473
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25
Dan said:
The differences between the sites, IMHO?

Cyburbia - http://www.cyburbia.org
Peak forum user time: weekday morning and afternoons in the US and Canada (~50-75 users)
Yours truly. The serious planning/urbanism site, with an edge. Forum posters tend to be older than those on the skyscraper sites, and the majority are professional planners and planning students. Architecture isn't really a topic, except in the context of related issues like historic preservation and design regulations.
So I guess we're a bunch of slackers at work (sorry work) ;)
 

Seabishop

Cyburbian
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3,838
Points
25
I like Skyscraperpage.com for the photos, but I don't usually post anything. Some of the posters there are really talented at urban photography. You do occassionally see the statistically obsessed who call people stupid if they get the population of Tampa wrong.
 

jordanb

Cyburbian
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3,232
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25
I tried joining SSP yesterday, but I still can't post yet. It says that I've ether been banned or haven't been activated yet by a moderator. Surely that wouldn't take a whole day?
 

jzt83

Cyburbian
Messages
21
Points
2
I do love Skyscraperpage. Interesting posters and pictures. I don't care much for the building forum, but their city issues forum and phot citites is interesting. To give you an idea how much I love that site, I signed up with them 4 days ago and posted 15 posts thus far, whereas I signed up on Cyburbia about 1 year ago and posted about 15 posts thus far as well.
 
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