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Is Starbucks Locating in Less Trendy Areas?

Seabishop

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A town here now has a proposal for a Starbucks with a drive-through, in little strip mall, along a commercial arterial. This is in a more suburban section of an otherwise blue-collar, small urban community. Its not even a new or particularly attractive arterial, although it does have a few major big boxes. This isn't at all the typical trendy, "yuppie" Starbucks location. Has this type of Starbucks been springing up elsewhere?

Please note that this question does not ask whether Starbucks is an evil corporate machine designed to kill small businesses.
 

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Yes, I believe starbucks is begining to explore other markets. I've heard through the grapevine that 5 are proposed in Peoria, IL. 5? in Peoria? 2 are confirmed thus far.

One is near a trendy, new commercial area. The other is along gritty west main street near Bradley University.
 

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Here, it always seems that starbucks preceed the yuppies. Like you're walking through your ethnic neighborhood and all the sudden you notice that the five-and-dime has been turned into a starbucks. The next day, the property values double. Then the jettas show up. It's downhill from there. ;-)
 

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In short order we had two Starbucks and a Starbucks in a supermarket. In Helena, Montana. Cannot get much less trendy than that.
 

Miles Ignatius

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A Cup In Every Garage!

Yes. Here in metro Denver, they've taken the same approach...some sites which may have been a "C" on their list now has a SB sitting on it. Most are free-standing drive-throughs rather than drive ups in strip shopping centers.

I think their "A" and "B" sites are in markets which are already caffeine-saturated.
 

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We just got a stand alone Starbucks with a drive-through in our neighbourhood shopping centre in St. Albert. We have a trendy community, but it's a very non-trendy location...
 

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They locate out here in trendy and non trendy areas.

A bit OT: driving to work yesterday morning I saw a child riding their bike to school with a Starbucks cup in one hand.
 

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Is the inside of a Target store in Lakeland FL trendy?

If the answer to my question is "no", then the answer to your question is "yes".

:)
 

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Wal-Mart invades urban areas, Starbucks invade hicksville... is World Corporation War One far behind?
 

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nerudite said:
We just got a stand alone Starbucks with a drive-through in our neighbourhood shopping centre in ...
Can you believe that we are going get one of those. Not far from where I live.
We already have one inside our B & N. Half-way across town.
 

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JNA said:
Can you believe that we are going get one of those. Not far from where I live.
We already have one inside our B & N. Half-way across town.
There is a SB right at the central intersection in downtown Appleton, not a 'trendy' location per se, but in a hot nightlife and active daytime office district with a small liberal-arts college a few blocks away, also one in a B&N in the faceless west side suburban big box sprawl and mall land.

Mike
 

Rem

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We now have a SB in Lake Macquarie - for about 6 months. It is located in our biggest enclosed mall - 47,000 m2 GLA (505,920 ft2). This is not a trendy shopping centre but it is the busiest and with the largest range of retailers.

There is another one locally, but in the Town Next Door (TM). It is located on a seedy, quiet, pedestrian mall.
 

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Seabishop said:
A town here now has a proposal for a Starbucks with a drive-through, in little strip mall, along a commercial arterial. This is in a more suburban section of an otherwise blue-collar, small urban community. Its not even a new or particularly attractive arterial, although it does have a few major big boxes. This isn't at all the typical trendy, "yuppie" Starbucks location. Has this type of Starbucks been springing up elsewhere?

Please note that this question does not ask whether Starbucks is an evil corporate machine designed to kill small businesses.
Not a "typical trendy, yuppie location?" But where will they find enough posers to support a store?
 

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When they locate in the town of my previous employment you'll know that they don't care about being trendy.

Where I am now they only got a Tim's about 2 -3 years ago,so starbucks is a long way away.
 

Seabishop

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donk said:
When they locate in the town of my previous employment you'll know that they don't care about being trendy.

Where I am now they only got a Tim's about 2 -3 years ago,so starbucks is a long way away.
Just saw my first local Tim Horton's yesterday about 2 miles from home. I'll have to stop in and try the poutine and beer. ;-)
 

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I'll take a Tim Horton's any day over a Starbucks.

But, with our region's location and declining population we probably won't see either in my lifetime.

Seabishop said:
Just saw my first local Tim Horton's yesterday about 2 miles from home. I'll have to stop in and try the poutine and beer. ;-)
Oooh - could a TH's vs. Dunkin Donuts market smackdown be in the offing? ;)
 
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Seabishop

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Oooh - could a TH's vs. Dunkin Donuts market smackdown be in the offing? ;)
Tim's vs. Dunkin Donuts vs. Krispy Kreme, vs. Honey Dew - its going to be a bloodbath. 8-! Realistically, Atkins is probably decreasing all their profits.
 

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Seabishop said:
Tim's vs. Dunkin Donuts vs. Krispy Kreme, vs. Honey Dew - its going to be a bloodbath. 8-! Realistically, Atkins is probably decreasing all their profits.
Still haven't seen Starbucks, Tim's, or Krispy Kreme in NH (well, there's a Starbucks in Portsmouth, but none of the others).

Not a coffee drinker, so personally I could care less about having a Starbucks in the area....but I like Tims (from my trips to the Great White North).

I am starting to get hooked on DD's French Vanilla Coolatas though. ;-)
 

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Look at the franchise

If the store is a corporate owned store, I think it makes a major difference where they choose to build/operate. If the store is a privately run franchised store its more likely to be in a risky area or non-trendy areas. I've seen several in non-trendy locations and strip malls in working class neighborhoods.
 

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Slightly off topic, but addressing the ubiquitous nature of Starbucks...

In "Shrek 2", the action takes place in the "Land of Far Far Away", which looks suspiciously like Beverly Hills. The stores are all take-offs of real places, one of which is "Farbucks Coffee."

In one scene, a giant gingerbread man is crashing through the city, ala Godzilla, and wipes out a Farbucks Coffee store. The patrons run, terrified, out of the store, across the street and into...another Farbucks Coffee store!!! Bwahahahahaha! I about laughed myself silly at that.
 

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Miles Ignatius said:
Yes. Here in metro Denver, they've taken the same approach...some sites which may have been a "C" on their list now has a SB sitting on it. Most are free-standing drive-throughs rather than drive ups in strip shopping centers.
Did Starbucks hit Northwest Denver yet? It's a strange market up there, where residential gentrification seems to be going forward at full steam, but there's an increasing amount of businesses catering to a shrinking Mexican immigrant population. I don't see too many chollos and campensanos drinking mocha latte.

When I lived in Denver in a past life, Dietrich's Coffee was known as the gay coffeehouse chain. Huh?
 

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With Gusto!

Dan said:
Did Starbucks hit Northwest Denver yet? It's a strange market up there, where residential gentrification seems to be going forward at full steam, but there's an increasing amount of businesses catering to a shrinking Mexican immigrant population. I don't see too many chollos and campensanos drinking mocha latte.

When I lived in Denver in a past life, Dietrich's Coffee was known as the gay coffeehouse chain. Huh?
Dan - SB has populated NW Denver, but mostly via the graces of locations provided by Safeway and King Soopers - no free standing stores, likely due to the demographic blend. [ or grind, if you prefer]

On coffee outlets, I'm sure you'll remember Common Grounds on W. 32nd & Lowell in the heart of West Highlands - they're still going strong and now have Peaberry's (a Colorado owned SB competitor) across the street.

Dietrich's has fallen on hard times - they expanded too fast and closed down all of their locations except for the one downtown on 17th Street - I'd heard of the gay community's preference for the place, but never noticed it when patronizing the place.

Miles
 

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As Starbucks is moving into more suburban areas (they are all over E. Cobb - Roswell - Duluth northern arc in Atlanta) Walmart is moving into more urban areas. These mega chains are expanding into realms that are now actively demanding these services. Now that the typical suburban middle class family enjoys latte's, Walmart realizes there is an untapped market in poor predominately black urban areas.

What next? Cracker Barrel in street level retail spots in uptown condo's & Crate & Barrel in small town mini shopping centers next to the tanning bed store?
 

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Chain stores pick out the best locations (trendy areas for Starbucks) and try to fill them all. Then they do the next best locations. Then the third best locations. Then the fourth best locations. I think Starbucks is on level 5 or 6 now - no longer trendy.
 

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Wulf9 said:
I think Starbucks is on level 5 or 6 now - no longer trendy.
I don't know ... There's probably far more trendy areas in not-so-trendy markets that Starbucks has ignored, as opposed to not-so-trendy areas in trendy markets. I think that according to Starbucks, a slum in Seattle is a better location than a bohemian neighborhood in Toledo ... if there is such a thing as either.
 
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Krispy Kreme - will soon be launching a "low carb" donut. I kid you not.

Tim's - I had my first Tim's donut (glazed crueller) and coffee in Rochester this weekend! Delicious!

Starbucks - I've never seen a free standing SB - here they go into existing strip malls, or bookstores.
 

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Dan said:
I don't know ... There's probably far more trendy areas in not-so-trendy markets that Starbucks has ignored, as opposed to not-so-trendy areas in trendy markets. I think that according to Starbucks, a slum in Seattle is a better location than a bohemian neighborhood in Toledo ... if there is such a thing as either.
They are popping up like mushrooms in a dank stable all over California. There's one in Buttonwillow, for gosh sakes, right across fromt he TA Travel Center. Maybe Starbucks haven't hit all the trendy sites back east, but they are at the not-so-trendy locations out here.
 

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Does being located in rest stops on the West Virginia Turnpike count as a less then trendy place?
 

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JNA said:
Does being located in rest stops on the West Virginia Turnpike count as a less then trendy place?
That's pretty much equal to Buttonwillow.
 

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Well, Solano County is hardly "trendy," and I count at least a dozen between Vacaville and Fairfield. Plus, the only business really open on Memorial Day ( a cookie and a iced caramel macchiato tasted good in the middle of a sugar crash druing a bike ride :) )
 

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Forgot to mention the sexiest Starbucks location - directly at a I-75 exit in Tifton, GA. But also the worst latte I've had in my life - they burnt it to hell (or they tried to fry my coffee).
 

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teshadoh said:
Forgot to mention the sexiest Starbucks location - directly at a I-75 exit in Tifton, GA.
Tifton? Sexiest? Only things in Tifton are lots of billboards, an Applebee's where nobody smiled, and the Family Values Inn -- a motel with a born-again fundamentalist Christian theme.
 

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Does being located in rest stops on the West Virginia Turnpike count as a less then trendy place?
LOL. What? You don't think that Starbucks located across from Burger King and Biscuit World at a Turnpike rest stop in Beckley, West Virginia is trendy? If you were the least bit with it you would know that's where all the hipsters in the Mountianer State hang out. ;-)

The fact that Starbucks has a location in the Giant Eagle supermarket in Washington, Pennsylvania (under age 65 need not apply for residency) pretty much proves that they've tapped out most of the existing trendy spots on the US East Coast.
 

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We have one w/in five minutes of our house going one way 8-! and three (3!) within two miles heading the other way 8-! one inside Target, one inside the B & N next to it, 8-! , and one in a strip mall about two minues away from those 2. Needless to say, we are thoroughly saturated with caffiene here 8-! and it's not a particularly trendy area, at least not in one direction, it's just your standard '50's era suburban development.
Must go to Starbucks 5 minutes from office 8-! latte wearing off....question is, do I go to the one 5 minutes away to the south...or the west...or the northeast? B-)
 

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Plannerbabs said:
We have one w/in five minutes of our house going one way 8-! and three (3!) within two miles heading the other way 8-! one inside Target, one inside the B & N next to it, 8-! , and one in a strip mall about two minues away from those 2. Needless to say, we are thoroughly saturated with caffiene here 8-! and it's not a particularly trendy area, at least not in one direction, it's just your standard '50's era suburban development.
Must go to Starbucks 5 minutes from office 8-! latte wearing off....question is, do I go to the one 5 minutes away to the south...or the west...or the northeast? B-)
/dork hat
The starbucks inside a B & N doesn't qualify as a 'real' starbucks. It's a B & N cafe that "proudly serves" starbucks coffee.
 

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Dan said:
Did Starbucks hit Northwest Denver yet? It's a strange market up there, where residential gentrification seems to be going forward at full steam, but there's an increasing amount of businesses catering to a shrinking Mexican immigrant population. I don't see too many chollos and campensanos drinking mocha latte.

When I lived in Denver in a past life, Dietrich's Coffee was known as the gay coffeehouse chain. Huh?
Hey dan, hate (er love) to bust you on your spanish spelling but when you say chollos, I think you mean cholos, as chollos would be pronounced C H O Y O S, rather than C H O L O S, its the double L thing in espanish, makes a Y noise like in tortilla...

That said and done with, I would chime in on the whole non trendy SB locations, but any SB in southern california may well be "trendy"

Dan said:
Heh and that one has wireless internet available!
 
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We are getting A SB in our community on the main drag, which is a little odd. Then again we got a Panera Bread and it seems to be doing ok. The community is an old factory/ small college town that is slowly making the transition to a bedroom community of the nearby megapolis.
 

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Dan said:
I wonder if there are Starbucks outlets in predominantly black neighborhoods. What about large middle- and upper middle class black areas like Atlanta's southern suburbs.
There are a few Starbucks locations on Chicago's South Side. One is near Midway Airport and probably doesn't depend on the surrounding neighborhood for sales, but there are outlets in the South Shore, Chatham and Wrightwood neighborhoods.

Also, there are several SBs in Chicago's south suburbs, Chicagoland's equivalent to Atlanta's southside 'burbs and DC's Prince George's County.
 

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Floridays said:
if anyone can answer your questions, this guy can!

ps: gives a whole new meaning to "get a life."
After reading that article,
my 1st though "what about his health?"
then on 2nd though "What a wacko :-c "
 

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I have never seen a drive-thru Starbucks. I thought their business plan was all about making a place where someone would want to hang out drink coffee.

Anyway, Starbucks is everywhere around here. There are five within a 15-minute walk of my apartment and several near my office. I've been expecting to see one pop up in parts of southern Maine, but there they are only in downtown Portland and a big shopping mall.

I feel guilty sometimes, but I like Starbucks.
 

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There is a Starbucks being constructed right now in a strip mall in Beloit, WI. Enough said.
 

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I would say 'yes' to that question. One has now located in my old hometown. Very untrendy area. A lot of migrant workers live in the area.
 
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I can count on one hand the number of times I've been to Starbucks. I don't like hot beverges including coffee or tea. I take that back. I do like chai tea lattes with caramel and whipped cream. I can only drink them in the fall or winter.
 

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I have never seen a drive-thru Starbucks. I thought their business plan was all about making a place where someone would want to hang out drink coffee.
There are two Star*ucks drive-thrus within close proximity to our office - one to the east and one to the southwest.

However, I'm with the NOS, no coffe drinkin' for me. But the Double Chocolate something or other they have (it has no coffee, but about 4000 calories) is pretty darn good. Think a very chocolaty milkshake with chocolate bits and whipped cream...:p
 
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