... as Dan, just out of sheer curiosity, attempts to figure out which way the board as a whole leans -- Rush or NPR?
Pragmatist. That's how I classify myself -- typically liberal, maybe even bleeding heart, but occasionally finding myself saying "you know, they've got a point" with Rush Limbaugh and the like. William F. Buckley might be a good role model ...Jen wrote:
Im middle of the road with a propensity to veer hard left or right. I guess that is part of my oppositional nature.
" a little on the nose don't you think?"bturk wrote:
[ the scene is a board meeting ] "We need something that says we're Republican and Gay"
[ in floats Maggie Simpon's pink elephant balloon ]
"well that's a bit obvious..."
Well, perhaps I was overreacting a little. I like America, but I do not agree with most of our foreign policy, and I feel like we have been at war, either overtly or covertly, since WWII; and I feel like American greed is to blame for much of the trouble in the world.El Guapo wrote:
My 2001VW Beetle was made in Mexico!My Ford Escort was made in MEXICO! NAFTA rules!
This is largely true,and while overall our intentions have been good. I think the future of America is out of the hands of ordinary americans...and I feel like we have been at war, either overtly or covertly, since WWII; and I feel like American greed is to blame for much of the trouble in the world.
I was having a discussion along these lines with my cousin. the problem is capitalism. All of societies problems are rooted in greed. All of it. Not enough people work for everyone, and too many people work for themselves. The ultimate solution to most of society's problems is education. fair, equal education for all income brackets, races, etc. THEN, in about 20 years, you start to the results. The gov, needs to get honest and actually work for what benefits everyone, not just the vocal (and/or powerful) minority.El Guapo wrote:
I agree with you. We are wasting so much on so little of consequence. Is anyone else out there tired of having to pretend that the person speaking to you is not feeding you a line of crap? It is now no big deal to be caught in a lie. It is now almost bad manners to demand people tell you the truth. Thanks Bill and Hill and Enron and others. They are not totally responsible, but they will be remembered as the catalyst. When things jumped the shark as one poster puts it.
I'm so tired of being lied too and marketed too. If they could legally tattoo Pepsi to the inside of my eyeballs they would. The NEA and School Board want my child’s school to have sponsors for everything. English Composition as presented by Office Depot. Stores assume all their customers are criminals while they are buying congressmen. My government expects me to trust them, but they will screw you in heartbeat. There are no limits anymore.
I guess this is old fashioned rant, but Jen you moved me with your statement.
I'm not saying that Marx was completly correct. I'm saying almost exactly what you are. If people would get the attitude change, treat people fairly, then our problems disappear. And yes, the way capitalism in this country is structured, it doesn't respect anyone. It tramples small business, it doesn't pay it's low-skill employees fairly, etc. The attitude change needs to happen everywhere. And one place it needs to change is the way the country looks at the school system. You don't know who jealous I was of studnets from the 'rich districts' when i went to college. My school didn't have the internet, they did, we had about 15 computers for 1000 students. We had 2 AP classes, they had multi-tudes. They tons of sports and clubs, we had almost all of ours cut because of budget cuts. I could go on. I was a smart student and felt cheated from a better education because i lived in a poorer district. I could have learned so much more and placed myself into higher classes at college and not have to go through all the basic crap again.El Guapo wrote:
I believe in the market more than I do the ravings of Marx or Engles. It is self control, a sense of responsibility and an agreed upon set of manners that are missing from society. I know this is a wild idea, but I believe you can have capitalism AND good manners.
Wishing capitalism away is like wishing physics away.
Linden! I was wondering what happened to ya'? Thanks for the kind words, and ... hey, want to moderate a forum?Linden Smith wrote:
Some of these subjects need to be under planning polemics, or Perry's Corner, or some recess of lucianne.com. Clinton bashing, bush bashing, and abortion debate are not current planning issues.
Okay ... for a one-time appearance ...Dan, time to bring Mike Morin back.
I'll say it's the latter. I don't know of any e-mail lists that are circulating that read "psst ... if you're a conservative planner, you can meet here," but rather that the righties are outing themselves. I find that conservatives tend to be more vocal about their politics than liberals, so it's easy to perceive that conservative thought is dominant in a certain marketplace of ideas, even if it's not the majority viewpoint.El Guapo wrote:
Dan, has Cyburbia morphed in to a refuge for conservative planners, or is it the case that when one comes out of the closet that lets the others know they are not alone?