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Left, right or ...

Generally, are you a liberal or conservative?

  • Radical progressive ("Everything America does is wrong!")

    Votes: 5 9.3%
  • Staunch liberal ("Michael Moore for President!")

    Votes: 6 11.1%
  • Good Democrat ("I support my local NPR station!")

    Votes: 15 27.8%
  • Left leaning ("I like the idea of national health care, but ...")

    Votes: 11 20.4%
  • MIddle of the road, like those yellow lines.

    Votes: 4 7.4%
  • Right leaning ("I've been watching a lot of Fox News Channel lately. E.D. Donahey -- hubba hubba!")

    Votes: 2 3.7%
  • Good Republican ("I voted for Dub, but I don't think liberals are evil.")

    Votes: 5 9.3%
  • Staunch conservative ("Dittos! Dittos! Whatever you say, Rush!")

    Votes: 5 9.3%
  • Arch-conservative ("Colorado Springs is a town filled with commies!")

    Votes: 1 1.9%

  • Total voters
    54
  • Poll closed .

Dan

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Re: My eyes and ears are bleeding...

prudence wrote:
The real question about policitics is: Do you believe in more government or less government? That will help you truly decide what side of the fence you are on.

It depends. More where it looks like "market failure," however you might define it, would result without a central governing body. In my opinion, that includes land use planning.

A problem of government -- both national and local -- is "mission creep," something that I'm experiencing on a micro-scale. A government agency may take on more tasks, get overwhelmed, and then expand as a result.

Still, for all the whining about the "damn bureaucracy," it isn't that bad in North America. Check out local government Web sites in South Africa or India, and examine the procedures for rezoning or site plan approval. Few standards, but a lot of "process."
 

gkmo62u

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Conservatives are certainly not more vocal. The Million Man March (well a couple hundred thouanyway), the Globalization protesters, the ACLU, NOW, Greepeace. Lefties have historically been more vocal as they are usually against something, the status quo, management, drilling in Alaska, whatever. And I am not trying to characterize being vocal in any way.

Maybe your right when it comes to planning. Makes sense if you think about it. The planning profession (management at least) is dominated by late 60's baby boomers of a liberal ideaology. And todays new planner seems to be driven more by environmental justice or sociasl equity mantra's. So conservative planners might speak more loudly about their clearly minority position on most planning topics.
 

Cardinal

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I agree. We moderate and conservative types are not more vocal, simply more articulate.
 

J Church

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did anyone see that survey in salon during the 2000 presidential election that computed who you should vote for? it told me i should support the communist candidate.

here's a fun little toy: http://www.politicalcompass.org

it pinpoints your political beliefs using coordinates: X is capitalist/socialist, y is authoritarian/libertarian; its premise is that left and right are too broad, that you can be an economic conservative and social liberal, or vice versa. it also handily assigns scores to various historical political figures.

i'm a left-libertarian, like gandhi ;)
 

mike gurnee

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That 's a good link J Church. the left/right continuum is too restrictive to describe one's philosophy, especially when the religious "right" wants increasing govenment control over our lives. I, too, find comfort in the liberal libertarian quadrant.

I was a conservative in the Barry Goldwater mold. As social, church, and bodily function issues took over the conservative cause, I moved away. Or rather it moved.

Zoning takes up the conservative authoritarian cause. It stabilizes and protects neighborhoods, and encourages economic/social stratification.
 

petrushka

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Environmentally Oriented

A Democrat, but an ecologically sensitive one. I tend to go for whoever make more sense to me in regards to energy generation/conservation, wildlife preservation, etc. I too despise America's foriegn policy and feel that the world's troubles (as well as the U.S.'s) stem directly from their greed. The American people lost control of the future of this country a long time ago, and there is no hope (outside of the government's overthrowal) of ever returning it to rightful hands.

The things targeted during the actions of Sept. 11th were targeted for their symbolic nature: The world Trade Center towers representing the greed of the U.S., and the Pentagon representing the military backing of greed-lined political envelopes pushed into the back pockets (and sometimes into the faces) of the people and governments of the middle eastern countries. Although I silently mourn for the lives lost here, I fully support the reasons backing the actions themselves. I hope that the government and its corporate machinery take heed of the warning given, and remove their hands from the cookie jars of others.

You don't sit on your neighbor's doorstep with a broom and mop in hand when your own house is filthy!
 

Dan

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J Church wrote:
did anyone see that survey in salon during the 2000 presidential election that computed who you should vote for? it told me i should support the communist candidate.

here's a fun little toy: http://www.politicalcompass.org

Economic Left/Right: -3.62
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -4.31

Right around Gandhi.
 

gkmo62u

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maybe petrushka should take the test. can you really hate the country you live in that much yet still live here?

anyway, it appears I am economic right .12 and authoritarian .56.

cute little test that has some obvious biases. But thats ok.
 

Cardinal

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Very interesting.

Economic -0.38
Authoritarian -4.21

I've always thought of myself as somewhat centrist. Isn't it interesting how many planners describe themselves as conservative and lean towards libertarian?
 

el Guapo

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a wee bit to the right & libertarian

I'm not quite as rabid as I thought I was.

Economic Left/Right: 2.00
Authoritarian/Libertarian: 2.46

Dear Greg,
Can I help you pack?
 

NHPlanner

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Economic Left/Right: -4.75
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -2.92

Not too far off from how I describe myself. Of course, in NH, there aren't too many people that would share these attributes. :)
 

giff57

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Economic Left/Right: -3.88
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -4.31
 

Bullwinkle

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Economic Left/Right: -1.62
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -1.28

Pretty middle of the road, but in the libertarian left quadrant. Several points away from most of Idaho.

My assistant planner tested out at Gandhi's level. Sorry, Dan, she's married. :)
 

petrushka

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El Guapo,
When I am ready, I will be sure to contact you first. I won't be taking much, so don't worry about the back.
El Guapo wrote: Dear Greg, Can I help you pack?
 

Chet

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*Audible Gasp!*

I was SHOCKED at how far lef tI was! This can't be correct!

Economic Left/Right: -0.62
Authoritarian/Libertarian: -0.77
 

Cardinal

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bturk - you commie!

Oh, wait, I'm more libertarian and only a little less left-wing economically than you are. Want to get together and burn some American flags?
 

el Guapo

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The results are in and the winners are...

Bturk wins the "Closet Lefty" Award and the Ted Kennedy Lifetime Achievement Award in the shape of a cement flotation device.

El Guapo wins the "Most likely to laugh at you when you are down" Award.

KMatja wins the "What's yours is mine and vice a versa" Award.

Michael Stumpf wins the "Leave me alone to make a profit" Award

Mike Gurnee wins the "It isn't on paper - so you can't hold it against me in court" Award.

Bullwinkle wins the "I'm not like my neighbors who want to kill you and all those like you" Award.

Giff wins the "People's Planning Collective of SE Iowa" Award.

Dan Tasman wins the "Gandhi 2 - I got your non-freakin'-violence right here" Award.

NHPlanner wins the "Soviet 5-year Planning Plan" Award.

gkmo62u wins the "Amen and pass the ammo" Award.

Transplanner wins the "Socialized Medicine is OK with me" Award.

And lastly Greg wins the "He Who Hates America the Most and is moving to Germany to discover utopia." Award.

THIS JUST IN

Jen wins the "Ben Kingsly" award.
 

Chet

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Now...

If I can just bed Hillary my life will be complete.
 
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Oh my god. I'm the biggest communist here! I think mine came out that way because i agreed that IN THEORY communism is an ok idea. sigh. my atheist parents have affected me more than I knew.
 

petrushka

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gkmo62u says "maybe petrushka should take the test. can you really hate the country you live in that much yet still live here?"

I am in the midst of planning a move to european soil. I think that I have ample reason for questioning and not finding the answers agreeable. For one, I am prior military, and have an understanding of the government's powers in relation to that of the people's. Trouble with that is that the people do not realize they have power, and allow the government to run all over them. In the midst of this ignorance, our daily rights are being chipped away brick by brick, and our natural environments continue to carry the heavy burden of our existence. I have rarely been pleased with what the states has to offer, but then again, I have always questioned.
 

Jen

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-5.75 Economic L/R
-3.18 Authoritarian/Lib

I Also have Ghandiliving in the neighborhood of my collective subconscious.
 

gkmo62u

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there is nothing wrong with questioning our government's policies...But, What rights are being trampled brick by brick. please provide specific examples?

You clearly underestimate the American people.
 

boiker

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gkmo62u wrote:
there is nothing wrong with questioning our government's policies...But, What rights are being trampled brick by brick. please provide specific examples?

You clearly underestimate the American people.

i do know that the government does not have to have a warrant to do a search now, they can tap anyones phone calls, tap anyone email, standard mail.

this is to 'protect' the average citizen against terrorists.

This is an intrusion of the american persons basic right to privacy....and the senate passed it unaminously.

are my facts wrong?
 

petrushka

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Boiker says "i do know that the government does not have to have a warrant to do a search now, they can tap anyones phone calls, tap anyone email, standard mail."

My thanks to you, Boiker, for being one who choses to see through the veil of "America the Great". Certainly there are others who have eyes with which to see!
 

gkmo62u

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Yes I believe you have the facts wrong. Law enforcement agencies must still go to a judge a show probable cause to do all of the things you suggest. The constitution has not been rescinded.

Perhaps I am wrong but as I understand it, the granting of broader police powers by the Senate includes such uses as getting a warrant to tap "all" of a suspects phones. Previously, I believe law enforcement has to get individual warrents for every individual phone tap.

In fact, instead of hysterical speculation, just go read the BILL.

And the way petruska made it sound like there was some long standing laundry list of trampled down rights. One singular broadening of police powers that is reasonably debateable is not a good example of this erosion of our rights.
 

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Downtown said:
I went with Good Democrat although I am a huge Michael Moore fan. In my Economic Geography class in undergrad our prof had us do a paper on Roger and Me, so I have easily seen that movie at least 15 times. And does anyone remember TV nation? For Valentine's day he did a special where he took the Michigan Militia to a county fair to ride the attractions in the spirit of peace, love and understanding. the Militia guys were really good sports about it, and it made for great television. Man, I loved that show.

Don't even get me started on Michael Moore and the lies that man tells. He has a long stack of transgressions, and the worst one is with Charleton Heston and how Moore cleverly edits out lines in Heston's speech and makes Heston look like the bad guy, even though the NRA was welcomed into Colorado (the NRA is about helping prevent incidents like Columbine). I can delve deeper in about why Michael Moore is not a trustworthy source, but I doubt many people would care.
 

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According to the poll, "Good Democrat-Left leaning," though I'd vote for a Republican if I agreed with him/her. For example, I'd vote for Jeb Bush if he ran, despite his bloodline.
 
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