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bentobox34

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This is not as low as some of the other jobs posted here, but I found it striking for a "Senior Planner" position:

http://agency.governmentjobs.com/indianapolis/default.cfm?action=viewjob&JobID=1092946&headerfooter=1&WDDXJobSearchParams=

Job Title: Sr. Planner
Closing Date/Time: Thu. 05/07/15 5:00 PM Eastern Time
Salary: $18.27 Hourly (~$38,000/year)
Job Type: Full Time
Location: City/County Building, Indiana

Position is responsible for reviewing and analyzing land use petitions filed in Indianapolis/Marion County and providing written and oral staff reports to the Hearing Examiner, Metropolitan Development Commission, the Board of Zoning Appeals and the Plat Committee. Responsible for providing land use and procedural advice to applicants, the public, City-County staff and elected officials.

Qualifications:
Bachelor's Degree in Planning or related field and one to two (1-2) years of related work experience in a planning agency required. One (1) year of formal education in Planning may be substituted for one year of experience. Must possess competent knowledge of relevant Rules of Procedures for the Boards of Zoning Appeal, Metropolitan Development Commission, Hearing Examiners, Hearing Officer and Plat Committee. Must possess competent knowledge of all Zoning Ordinances, State Enabling Act, and other local and state laws. Membership in the American Institute of Certified Planners is encouraged but not required. Normal working hours are from 8:00 a.m.-5:00 p.m.
 

The One

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Ha ha ha ha......thanks.....

I needed a chuckle today.......and they "suggest" AICP......classic! I'll bet most if not all of those meetings are at night too!
 

MacheteJames

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I was in discussion with the principal of a local firm about a Senior Land Use Planner position recently. I've got almost a decade in the field at this point. When we got to salary, I gave a number of roughly $70-$80k and was told that I was beyond his budget. This is in the very high COL metro NYC area, mind you.

It's still tough out there, even post-recession. Senior-level folks shouldn't be making under $70k per year at a bare minimum in these parts.
 

paiste13

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This isn't a post but rather to say in the last two months I've seen 3 non-manager planning positions in smaller towns around where I live in the Midwest go from about 65-95k. This might be a sign that salaries are rising everywhere. Has anyone else noticed this?
 

hilldweller

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This isn't a post but rather to say in the last two months I've seen 3 non-manager planning positions in smaller towns around where I live in the Midwest go from about 65-95k. This might be a sign that salaries are rising everywhere. Has anyone else noticed this?
30k is a huge range difference... but if you mean 65k is more towards entry level then that seems pretty high to me.

Also, I've noticed that planner salaries in Florida have taken a beating since the recession.
 

paiste13

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30k is a huge range difference... but if you mean 65k is more towards entry level then that seems pretty high to me.

Also, I've noticed that planner salaries in Florida have taken a beating since the recession.

a few years back starting salaries at all but the top cities (chicago, winnetka, evanston, etc) around here were 35-40k. I've seen 3 in the past few months that start at 65k for non-managers. That's more than I'm making now - I feel like if I applied I could make near the top of that range with my experience. Problem is - government work sucks most of the time except for the pensions.
 
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What do you guys think about 33K for someone with a masters straight out of school? It's a Planning Technician position. I already created my own post about this...but I'm curious... would, in this economy, it be a good starting job until I could lateral over to a a Planner I-II position? Could I get some feedback on your thoughts of how Planning Techs are treated in a public planning office? Yeah...front desk jockey I know...but having a masters I'd hope that I would at least be treated with respect from others and given responsibility to work on comp plan etc.
 

The One

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Meh....

Hey Stache, sure.....I mean if you don't have ANY other obligations.....like a family, dog, cat, fish....etc.....
1 Year then get out and upgrade.
 

HomerJ

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Could I get some feedback on your thoughts of how Planning Techs are treated in a public planning office? Yeah...front desk jockey I know...but having a masters I'd hope that I would at least be treated with respect from others and given responsibility to work on comp plan etc.
It will depend more on the office than the position. I know people in management positions who are treated with less respect than I witnessed as a Planning Technician. I would advise asking questions such as, "Will I have opportunities to work on important projects such as working on the comp plan?" during the interview process to get a better feel; remember that an interview is just as much to your benefit as the potential employer.

33K out of school with a masters degree is rough I'll admit. You'll have to weigh it against what other prospects might be out there and what sacrifice you would need to make for the job (e.g. whether or not it requires moving). Something is always better than nothing, but make sure to factor in the opportunity costs of taking this job vs. your other options. If you have no other options, hopefully that will at least make the choice easier! :)
 
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Well, now I have another question...

Thoughts on out of state interview compensation? I made it past the first round and the in person interview is far away from my home....only the office won't compensate my flight or hotel.Womp. I thought that was standard dealings to do so.
 

MacheteJames

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Well, now I have another question...

Thoughts on out of state interview compensation? I made it past the first round and the in person interview is far away from my home....only the office won't compensate my flight or hotel.Womp. I thought that was standard dealings to do so.
Not gonna happen these days in government, sadly... private sector, maybe, if they really want you. But government? Nope.
 

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Well, now I have another question...

Thoughts on out of state interview compensation? I made it past the first round and the in person interview is far away from my home....only the office won't compensate my flight or hotel.Womp. I thought that was standard dealings to do so.
If you want the job, you go get it. The job isn't going to pay you to apply. Some higher level jobs (Directors of larger communities) do this, but in general in the public sector it is your effort, not theirs. I have seen people request skype interviews. We have never accommodated this request, but I can imagine some people might.

Good luck on your interview!
 

DVD

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I've had some skype interviews work, but I've also had places ask me to come in person. Knowing the cost and that the job most likely couldn't meet my salary requirements I know I lost those jobs by saying no. Otherwise I swear they were mine.
 

WSU MUP Student

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Well, now I have another question...

Thoughts on out of state interview compensation? I made it past the first round and the in person interview is far away from my home....only the office won't compensate my flight or hotel.Womp. I thought that was standard dealings to do so.
As MacheteJames said - if this is for a government position, compensation for the interview just isn't going to happen. I work for one of the wealthier local governments in the Midwest and we stopped offering reimbursement for interview expenses years ago. It doesn't matter if it's an entry level position or a director.

FWIW though, somebody else mentioned Skype and we have used that on a few occasions recently to interview out-of-state candidates.
 

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In 1997 when I entered this wonderful overpaid field as a "state planner" as a current CC member has referred to us as - his whole argument rang of socialist propaganda, I was paid a grand sum of $11.30 an hour FT. This was in the state that at the time, was ranked by APA as the lowest average starting planner pay in the US. Can't say they were off on that finding. I think I took home $700 every two weeks. One paycheck went directly to my apartment rent. Of course, heat was paid for so I had that going for me.
 

CubbieBlue

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Not gonna happen these days in government, sadly... private sector, maybe, if they really want you. But government? Nope.
I have had several local/regional units of government pay for my travel and lodging for an interview over the past few years. I have also had my relocation paid for. You might be surprised.
 

DrGrant

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If it's far enough that you have to get a hotel, I would ask about Skype for sure. I've made this request several times... it worked once, but I didn't get the job. The other two just did phone interviews instead, because they didn't feel like dealing with Skype. I ended up accepting one of the phone interview positions.
 

Reefe

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If the job is a really good one, and located in a place that you think you'd really enjoy living in, then you might consider opening your wallet and taking the chance. You can write off all these expenses when you file your income tax next year, it does help lower your tax a bit.

But if you're not too crazy about the job nor the location, then as the others suggested, ask for a phone or Skype interview.

I've done all three options in the past year - phone, Skype video and fly + hotel at my own expense. There was one job that I knew I would not pay out of my own pocket to fly out if they asked me to for the next interview because in the first round I found out enough that I knew it wasn't a job I wanted.
 

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This one irked me a bit, and I thought it was worth sharing.

Downtown Planning and Development Coordinator
Downtown Kalamazoo Incorporated

Position Summary:
The Planning and Development Coordinator is responsible for assisting in all DKI activities including downtown comprehensive planning, economic development, urban design, historic preservation, civil engineering, and tax increment financing; updating DKI’s Comprehensive Plan, Capital Improvement Program, Parking Plan; and project implementation; and property management related to acquisition, development and maintenance.

Essential Knowledge and Skills:
Must possess excellent communication and public relations skills. Ability to interact effectively with consumers, downtown visitors, residents, developers, business owners, property owners, designers and public officials. Knowledge of Microsoft XP, Word, Excel, PowerPoint and other computer applications.

Education and Experience:
Requires Bachelor’s degree in Urban Planning, Economic Development, Public Administration, Facilities Management or similar areas with a minimum of three years of experience in a downtown development consulting firm or municipal planning agency. General understanding of the principles and practices of urban planning and economic development.

Salary Range:
$30,000 to $35,000

Downtown Kalamazoo, Inc. Website: www.downtownkalamazoo.org

Not necessarily the worst I've ever seen, but pretty rough in the grand scheme.
Looks like they re-posed this one. Either the original hire didn't work out for them, or got fed up with the low pay. This version offers more, but requires even more years of experience.

Downtown Planning and Development Coordinator
Downtown Kalamazoo Incorporated

The Planning and Development Coordinator is responsible for assisting in all DKI activities including downtown comprehensive planning, economic development, urban design, placemaking, historic preservation, civil engineering, and tax increment financing; updating DKI’s Comprehensive Plan, Capital Improvement Program, Parking Plan; and project implementation; and property management related to acquisition, development and maintenance.

Must possess excellent communication and public relations skills. Ability to interact effectively with consumers, downtown visitors, residents, developers, business owners, property owners, designers and public officials. Knowledge of Microsoft XP, Word, Excel, PowerPoint and other computer applications.

Requires Bachelor’s degree in Urban Planning, Landscape Architecture, Economic Development, Public Administration, Facilities Management or similar areas with a minimum of five years of experience in a downtown development consulting firm or municipal planning or downtown development agency. General understanding of the principles and practices of urban planning and economic development. For a full job description see Planning and Development Coordinator.

Salary Range $40,000 to $45,000
 

The One

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WOW

I just got an email a few days ago from our local APA section.......holiday stuff. They attached some job notices for Regional Planners (assistant to senior) and Transportation Planners (assistant to senior)......AND a job notice for office administrator......

The Office Administrator position starting pay is about the same (any degree or no degree and 5 years experience) (w/in $1,000) of the senior transportation planner job!!!!!! It pays way more than the assistant and associate jobs.

A friend of mine wrote the local APA section with a WHAT THE HELL email:r:
 

nam0806

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A few months ago, I remember seeing a salary for $13/hr for a Planner I.

I wish I had saved the job description. I just thought that was pretty crazy.
 

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Id work as a Planner I for 30k in a place like Michigan or metro Kansas City where cost of living in very low and supplement my income bartending. But not in Ohio. Ohio is a horribly boring state (Sorry, Ohioans nothing personal).
 

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Id work as a Planner I for 30k in a place like Michigan or metro Kansas City where cost of living in very low and supplement my income bartending. But not in Ohio. Ohio is a horribly boring state (Sorry, Ohioans nothing personal).
We don't want you anyways. ;)
 

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Id work as a Planner I for 30k in a place like Michigan or metro Kansas City where cost of living in very low and supplement my income bartending. But not in Ohio. Ohio is a horribly boring state (Sorry, Ohioans nothing personal).
Sorry, I made that working as a drafter. As a planner requiring more education I'll demand a little more.
 

The Terminator

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Sorry, I made that working as a drafter. As a planner requiring more education I'll demand a little more.
The way I see it is that you gotta do what you gotta do to get that experience that gets you ahead in the 21st Century. Its not 1981 anymore where a Bachelors (forget Masters) degree alone gets you a job and a salary you can raise a family and retire on. If It means I work as a Junior Planner for a salary in the 30s in middle of nowhere Midwest (not Ohio) for a few years so it can get me into a position in a place like Chicago or California, than ill go through purgatory for the future payout.
 

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The way I see it is that you gotta do what you gotta do to get that experience that gets you ahead in the 21st Century. Its not 1981 anymore where a Bachelors (forget Masters) degree alone gets you a job and a salary you can raise a family and retire on. If It means I work as a Junior Planner for a salary in the 30s in middle of nowhere Midwest (not Ohio) for a few years so it can get me into a position in a place like Chicago or California, than ill go through purgatory for the future payout.
Just so I can understand, what is your beef with Ohio? Is it that we ONLY are the 7th largest state? Is it that we have such good football teams? It couldn't be our State Rock Song "Hang on Sloopy". Is it Neil Armstrong or Thomas Edison? The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame? I bet it is the Amish. Maybe it is airplanes? You don't like that we invented a way to flyover our state? Or is it that we perfected the chili dog? The best roller coaster park in the United States? I bet it is all our culture and activity. ;)

I am just confused as to why you think living in Ohio is living in the middle of nowhere. Because, ummm, it isn't.

Ps. There are some pretty cool places in the United States that aren't NYC or Chicago. I would argue planning in these other places is better than NYC or Chicago, or LA. Your experience in NYC will be very different than in Kentucky. Or Missouri. Or Alabama. Or New Mexico. Or Kansas. I would guess those planners in the "middle of nowhere" do much more good for the general welfare of residents on a daily basis, than any plan reviewer in department 541 of NYC Planning.

Alright I am off my high horse now. Carry on with your hatred of the Midwest.
 

Bubba

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Just so I can understand, what is your beef with Ohio?
My guess is it's Urban Meyer - I assume Da Terminator can resume not caring about Ohio as soon as tOSU collectively sobers up and jettisons Meyer. :D

Anyhoo...

My unsolicited advise: as a starting point, a planning job for ~$30k in the Midwest, including Ohio, is better than no job...
 

The One

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Well.....

At least we can all agree that a planning job in New England that pays $30k better only involve cleaning windows and sorting building permits for it to be worth it:-x:D:lmao:

:r:

The One having fun with New England peeps:h:
 

DVD

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My guess is it's Urban Meyer - I assume Da Terminator can resume not caring about Ohio as soon as tOSU collectively sobers up and jettisons Meyer. :D

Anyhoo...

My unsolicited advise: as a starting point, a planning job for ~$30k in the Midwest, including Ohio, is better than no job...
For me it's not tOSU. My MIL is tOSU alum so I guess I should be a little nice to them out of respect to her. I can't complain about the vast nothingness, it's got more than Kansas. I will complain about the Cincinnati chili though. Who the hell puts chili on spaghetti? Also the Browns. Just because.

I can agree that $30k is better than nothing, I would just like to see more for the education we demand of ourselves. It's worse at the upper levels having a director paid crap salary like that.
 

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Just so I can understand, what is your beef with Ohio?
Well, TA seems to like Michigan, so that's good in my book. :D

But apart from the southern 3rd of the State, Michigan is pretty thin on the ground for planning jobs. You'd be lucky to find one every 100 miles or so.

Ohio is pretty good though, but I concur with dvd...Cincinnati Chili is the worst. Cinnamon? Really? :p

But depending on your debt or expenses, starting at 30K in a low responsibility job...with acceptable benefits is not a bad place to start.
 

The One

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Aheem!

{begin rant}

YOU ARE ALL ON CRACK!!!

$14 an hour was the minimum wage in 1968 or so......

Have a little self respect and even more respect for your education.

{end of rant}

:not:
 

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I really feel sorry for the newcomers to this profession. The pay I've seen offered for most jobs is just atrocious. APA does a really shitty job of actually advocating for the profession and demonstrating the value of good planning. I don't really know how new planners can justify the expense of graduate school only to take a job paying $33,000. I also think APA should REQUIRE that any ad that is posted on their website have at least a salary range included in the ad. The ole "competitive pay" thing doesn't work anymore.
 

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Not related to salaries but related to lack of respect for the profession.

Apparently a County Civil Service Commission is holding an exam for the position of “Director of Planning and Development”, which interestingly enough, isn’t for the County’s position, but for positions in five towns in the county. A master’s degree in Planning, Urban Planning, Public Administration, Environmental Planning, Environmental Science will NOT qualify you for this position. What they are really looking for is a Code Enforcement Officer or Building Supervisor but they’ve labeled it “Director of Planning and Development”.
 

The One

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APA

Not related to salaries but related to lack of respect for the profession.

Apparently a County Civil Service Commission is holding an exam for the position of “Director of Planning and Development”, which interestingly enough, isn’t for the County’s position, but for positions in five towns in the county. A master’s degree in Planning, Urban Planning, Public Administration, Environmental Planning, Environmental Science will NOT qualify you for this position. What they are really looking for is a Code Enforcement Officer or Building Supervisor but they’ve labeled it “Director of Planning and Development”.
The APA section there are a bunch of IDIOTS. If they don't at least try to step in and find out why someone didn't try to stop the high school graduate clerk from setting this up!
 

The One

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Hmm....on the other side of the coin.....

Meanwhile in Elko Nevada:

Planning Technician- $42,806 a year or $20.58/hour up to $48,360 a year or $23.25/hour :-c

I have a masters degree in planning and about 20 years of experience.....and I barely qualify for this job.....why? I type 53 words per minute and the job requires 50 words per minute. :-c:-$:-o:r:

It only requires High School or a GED

http://www.elkocity.com/departments/human_resources/current_job_openings.php#planning
 

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Meanwhile in Elko Nevada:

Planning Technician- $42,806 a year or $20.58/hour up to $48,360 a year or $23.25/hour :-c

I have a masters degree in planning and about 20 years of experience.....and I barely qualify for this job.....why? I type 53 words per minute and the job requires 50 words per minute. :-c:-$:-o:r:

It only requires High School or a GED

http://www.elkocity.com/departments/human_resources/current_job_openings.php#planning
I'd aim for the Landfill Equipment Operator. It pays more.
 

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Meanwhile in Elko Nevada:

Planning Technician- $42,806 a year or $20.58/hour up to $48,360 a year or $23.25/hour :-c

I have a masters degree in planning and about 20 years of experience.....and I barely qualify for this job.....why? I type 53 words per minute and the job requires 50 words per minute. :-c:-$:-o:r:

It only requires High School or a GED

http://www.elkocity.com/departments/human_resources/current_job_openings.php#planning
No way you type 53 words a minute...
 

The One

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WAY

No way you type 53 words a minute...
I was just talking with my co-worker about testing again.....I want to break 60 words a minute. One of the only perks of attending a rural high school in the 1980's...we had a semester of typing on old IBM's and my year of computer science was basically typing code. I've been building on it ever since. Maybe 75 words a minute by the time I retire...that would be awesome.....my twenty something co-workers would be like "damn that old man can type!"
 

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1st, I'm taking the golf course labor job. It might pay less, but I wouldn't have to deal with any people. Just got to kill all the gophers.

2nd, To make TO jealous, I used to type 80 wpm in high school, but I lost a lot of it. I now type about 60, and no, I still don't look at the keyboard. I'd test myself, but I'm a planner so who cares?
 

The One

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Arrgggh

1st, I'm taking the golf course labor job. It might pay less, but I wouldn't have to deal with any people. Just got to kill all the gophers.

2nd, To make TO jealous, I used to type 80 wpm in high school, but I lost a lot of it. I now type about 60, and no, I still don't look at the keyboard. I'd test myself, but I'm a planner so who cares?
One Upper!!!

I have what they call in the business.....stupid fingers:lmao:
 

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DOQ

I've seen several Planner I or II (Planner / Associate Planner) slots that generally were in the lower to mid $30K range. Typically these were in rural areas of Midwestern or Southern states. I saw a Planning Director job in Arkansas listed as a range of $47-$53K. That might be an OK job for someone who wasn't making much in a lower position -- or even the same -- and would take it just for the "management" experience. But I'd bet most would move on to a better-paying position when the opportunity came along.

Another place I've seen low salaries is in certain Chicago suburbs. From what I gather, these are suburbs with budget issues. The smallest suburbs will use a consultant for planning tasks and a building/zoning official for the day-to-day operations. The municipal administrator tends to function like the planning director.

Back when the recession hit and planners were getting laid-off, many planners were taking whatever they could get. We had a Planner I slot around 2009 with over 100 applications received, and the pay was not that great. (Many of the applications were not up to par; but some were well over-qualified.)

Several posts stated "Pay commensurate with experience" or DOQ or similar. I really wonder what kind of salaries those places are offering. It would seem to be a waste of effort to apply, jump through all the hoops, and interview, then to discover the pay hadn't been worth the time. I suppose one way to deal with that would be to put one's own salary requirements in the cover letter.
 
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I'm trying to hire a planner in the mid-40s and it's tough right now, anyone with experience in this area wants a LOT more. Even a new grad acted like the salary was a bit of an issue. Uhhh, what?


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I'm trying to hire a planner in the mid-40s and it's tough right now, anyone with experience in this area wants a LOT more. Even a new grad acted like the salary was a bit of an issue. Uhhh, what?


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Planners getting out of school have MUCH higher expectations for salary than they did 10 years ago. Budgets are tighter and we have a glut of planners at the top. So this makes no sense, but it certainly is the case.
 

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I'm trying to hire a planner in the mid-40s and it's tough right now, anyone with experience in this area wants a LOT more. Even a new grad acted like the salary was a bit of an issue. Uhhh, what?
Yeah, that is getting frustrating. At that salary, someone can live quite comfortably in your city (which is way cooler than it gets credit for). The increasing cost of living in our region overall isn't doing us any favors though--people assume the entire region is getting expensive when that is not necessarily the case.

You know I hate saying this as a bobcat, but have you reached out to Texas A&M and perhaps UTSA? TAMU's program has improved substantially in recent years (and their studios do a lot of work in more rural/small towns), and UTSA is a significant up & comer.
 

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I'm trying to hire a planner in the mid-40s and it's tough right now, anyone with experience in this area wants a LOT more. Even a new grad acted like the salary was a bit of an issue. Uhhh, what?


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IMO Mid 40s is crap money just about anywhere for an educated professional with a master's degree. Yes, your cost of living in TX is going to be lower than here, but consider this: the average cost of a new car is $30,000. Prices for items like this do not vary across the country.

I remember as a noob planner 10 years ago, I spent about half my time playing attorney - interpreting and helping to write ordinances, working with the ZBA, dealing with applicants, etc. It wasn't easy work then and isn't now. I made $44k to start. Again, *10 years ago*.
 

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AMEN!!!

IMO Mid 40s is crap money just about anywhere for an educated professional with a master's degree. Yes, your cost of living in TX is going to be lower than here, but consider this: the average cost of a new car is $30,000. Prices for items like this do not vary across the country.

I remember as a noob planner 10 years ago, I spent about half my time playing attorney - interpreting and helping to write ordinances, working with the ZBA, dealing with applicants, etc. It wasn't easy work then and isn't now. I made $44k to start. Again, *10 years ago*.
MacheteJames YOU ARE CORRECT.
The dumbing down of pay. It seems like the ONLY places in this entire country that respect and pay for educated minds are ......snarf...ha ha ha....sorry I couldn't keep that going with a straight face. I should have said Kansas....that would have made some of you spit up your morning coffee:D
 
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MacheteJames YOU ARE CORRECT.
The dumbing down of pay. It seems like the ONLY places in this entire country that respect and pay for educated minds are ......snarf...ha ha ha....sorry I couldn't keep that going with a straight face. I should have said Kansas....that would have made some of you spit up your morning coffee:D
I'm actually pretty well paid for the crap job I have, but I don't think they respect an educated mind out here. They were just stupid enough to pay me well.
 

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IMO Mid 40s is crap money just about anywhere for an educated professional with a master's degree. Yes, your cost of living in TX is going to be lower than here, but consider this: the average cost of a new car is $30,000. Prices for items like this do not vary across the country.

I remember as a noob planner 10 years ago, I spent about half my time playing attorney - interpreting and helping to write ordinances, working with the ZBA, dealing with applicants, etc. It wasn't easy work then and isn't now. I made $44k to start. Again, *10 years ago*.
Yes, for a master's it's low - but for a brand new, bachelor's only prospect that hasn't had much experience?
 
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