• Cyburbia is a friendly big tent, where we share our experiences and thoughts about urban planning practice, planning adjacent topics, and whatever else comes to mind. No ads, no spam, no echo chambers. Create your FREE Cyburbia ID, and join us today! You can also register through your Reddit, Facebook, Google, Twitter, or Microsoft account.

More Shocking Than The Scout Thread?

High School Oral Sex Club : Shocking?

  • Yes - I can't beleive my eyes!

    Votes: 4 26.7%
  • No - Of course this is the 2000s

    Votes: 8 53.3%
  • I have an entirely different viewpoint, which I will share....

    Votes: 3 20.0%

  • Total voters
    15

donk

Cyburbian
Messages
6,970
Points
30
No more shocking then the "points" gangs of the early 90's.
 

Habanero

Cyburbian
Messages
3,241
Points
27
I'm sure my high school drill team is jumping for joy that they made this a "real" club-
 

Jeff

Cyburbian
Messages
4,161
Points
27
I was a card carrying member of the O.S.C. when I was in grade school. Weren't you? You must not have been one of the cool kids then :)
 

Runner

Cyburbian
Messages
566
Points
17
Is this something you would list on a college/job application...

and if so, and you were an employer, would you dare hire them...
 

Cardinal

Cyburbian
Messages
10,080
Points
34
Runner said:
Is this something you would list on a college/job application...

and if so, and you were an employer, would you dare hire them...
I was required in the Clinton White House, wasn't it?
 

Super Amputee Cat

Cyburbian
Messages
2,119
Points
28
bturk said:
A High School Oral Sex Club? I don't recall that was one of my choices...

Well, it looks like little Johnny and little Susie have been going to too many Britney Spears concerts, courtesy of their brain-dead parents funnelling $50/week allowances and letting them do whatever the Hell they want.

I also submit that the environment of urban sprawl - which I'm sure most of these kids grow up in - contributes to earlier sexual activity. More out of boredom and lack of healthy, enlightening, social activities than anything else. If you had to live in some of these neighborhoods, perhaps you would be tempted into doing the same. (But not to let the kids off the hook either, there is nothing worse than whiney little rich kids)

Yeah, while daddy's at the golf course with all his CEO buddies, and mommy's ringing up four figures at the craft show/nail salon, it's certainly not difficult to envision mass fornication occuring inside the jive-plastic bunker houses all across suburbia.
 

BKM

Cyburbian
Messages
6,464
Points
29
Hey Cat, not to disagree with your dislike of typical monfunctional sprawl. . .

And, you have a point about absentee parenting

BUT. . . Do you think these kids would be that much "moral" or occupied if they were living in a big city? Especially an American big city like San Francisco. Only the goody two shoe kids and nerds (like I was) engage in "socially beneficial activities).
 

el Guapo

Capitalist
Messages
5,984
Points
29
Re: Re: More Shocking Than The Scout Thread?

Super Amputee Cat said:
bturk said:
A High School Oral Sex Club? I don't recall that was one of my choices...

Well, it looks like little Johnny and little Susie have been going to too many Britney Spears concerts, courtesy of their brain-dead parents funnelling $50/week allowances and letting them do whatever the Hell they want.

I also submit that the environment of urban sprawl - which I'm sure most of these kids grow up in - contributes to earlier sexual activity. More out of boredom and lack of healthy, enlightening, social activities than anything else. If you had to live in some of these neighborhoods, perhaps you would be tempted into doing the same. (But not to let the kids off the hook either, there is nothing worse than whiney little rich kids)

Yeah, while daddy's at the golf course with all his CEO buddies, and mommy's ringing up four figures at the craft show/nail salon, it's certainly not difficult to envision mass fornication occuring inside the jive-plastic bunker houses all across suburbia.
bturk said:
ROTFLMAO - Talk about stereotyping. Dude, you crack me up.
 

Super Amputee Cat

Cyburbian
Messages
2,119
Points
28
BKM said:
Hey Cat, not to disagree with your dislike of typical monfunctional sprawl. . .

And, you have a point about absentee parenting

BUT. . . Do you think these kids would be that much "moral" or occupied if they were living in a big city? Especially an American big city like San Francisco. Only the goody two shoe kids and nerds (like I was) engage in "socially beneficial activities).
No, I don't think that inner city kids are necessarily more "moral" than those in the suburbs. In fact, I still believe that inner city children generally are more prone to earlier sexual activity that their suburban counterparts.

I do however think that the automobile-centered suburban environment and its policies of exclusionary zoning and glorification of the monoculture contribute to kids' boredom and delinquency. (It's just that they're so rich that they get away with it). And this has worsened as the suburbs become ever-more isolated, gated, restrictive, etc. All this can lead to early sexual activity among teens simply out of pursuing some twisted form of "suburban conformity" as opposed to inner city kids doing it out of hopelessness and desperation.

I think if we had well planned communities, where mixed activities were within walking distance, then teenage sexual activity would not necessarily disappear but be abated somewhat. That and getting sex education out of the public schools!

Of course there are other factors that contribute to this behavior. Actually I blame media such as MTV, WB and E! for the glorification of the most irresponsible and abhorrent sexual activity. And in that regard, no amount of good planning will help whatsoeveer as long as the TV's on.

However, it's the brain-dead parents that share most of the blame. Their enabling methods of giving their kids $50/week allowance, buying them high-priced clothing with fashion labels, buying pop CDs, and contributing to the consumer culture by making their kids "little consumers" certainly plays a significant role in their kids' disillusionment and inevitable sexual "rite of passage". That, and turning a deaf ear when the early warning signs of sexual activity are becoming evident. ("Oh, not my little Susie!")



You may have a point about only "goody two-shoes" being involved in enlightening social activities. But that's another issue entirely. For as long as our sexually-obsessed culture glorifies the jock/cheerleader stereotype then it's not going to go away anytime soon. It's up to us as parents to steer our kids away from that mindset.
 

el Guapo

Capitalist
Messages
5,984
Points
29
Super Amputee Cat said:
For as long as our sexually-obsessed culture glorifies the jock/cheerleader stereotype then it's not going to go away anytime soon. It's up to us as parents to steer our kids away from that mindset.
Now that's a platform I can get behind! - Serious Dittos
:)
 
Messages
3,690
Points
27
I have to say, when I lived in my "New Urbanist" city in Spain in highschool, the majority of my Spanish friends were still "chaste" as seniors in highschool. I cannot even imagine how they would be able to manage any monkey business - afterschool hours were spent studying their asses off for school, which was extrememly academically challanging and for Selectividad, the test that would determine what they would be allowed to study in college. And even if they weren't spending so much time studying, You never spent social time in your or friends' residences - it was all out at cafes, bars or the park, all within easy walks of your apartment building.
 

Jeff

Cyburbian
Messages
4,161
Points
27
Super Amputee Cat said:


I do however think that the automobile-centered suburban environment and its policies of exclusionary zoning and glorification of the monoculture contribute to kids' boredom and delinquency. (It's just that they're so rich that they get away with it). And this has worsened as the suburbs become ever-more isolated, gated, restrictive, etc. All this can lead to early sexual activity among teens simply out of pursuing some twisted form of "suburban conformity" as opposed to inner city kids doing it out of hopelessness and desperation.

I think if we had well planned communities, where mixed activities were within walking distance, then teenage sexual activity would not necessarily disappear but be abated somewhat. That and getting sex education out of the public schools!


Do you write the questions for the AICP test?? The world does not revolve around planning, sprawl and automobile dependence.

This stuff went on when you were a kid, and it went on before you. It is just more obvious now because of the internet. I

'll tell you what, I grew up in the city, had everything I ever wanted within walking distance of my house, playgrounds, ball fields, schools, stores, etc. Guess what? I still know girls who were pregnant in high school, had abortions by the time they were 15, 14 year-old fathers, kids F***ing in the bathrooms in elementary school, etc. It happens. In the suburbs, in the cities, on the farm, and in the ghetto. It has nothing to do with cars, sprawl, gated communities, zoning?, money, etc.
 

Runner

Cyburbian
Messages
566
Points
17
Way to go Cat!

Hmmmmm, maybe in reviewing the college/job application one should pay special attention to the home address of the applicant... Be wary of the product of CSD...

Just a thought...
 

PlannerGirl

Cyburbian Plus
Messages
6,377
Points
29
Ya know i tend to agree with Mike, i know i went to high school in BFE redneck ville and sex was THE thing to do-hell usualy on church grounds *you had to be at church every time the doors were open*

I was 18 the first time i did it and that was SHOCKINGLY old for my peer group. we had a girl on my block preg for the 3rd time at 15 *no she was a cheerleader so her parents got her abortions (morons)*

i think the sex has always been there from the way my folks talked about when they were in high school but you just lied about it to folks.

i think kids are more open about what they do now than before and there is a sick culture of "pride" to be preg at 15. some how your a "real" woman

puke
 

Runner

Cyburbian
Messages
566
Points
17
PlannerGirl said:
i think kids are more open about what they do now than before and there is a sick culture of "pride" to be preg at 15. some how your a "real" woman
Speaking of "pride". The stupid idiots at our local school district even facilitate this attitude. When a kid gets pregnant they move them to something they call the "Pride Center" which is prominently located on the high school grounds. Shouldn't it be called the "Shame Center"?
 

Mastiff

Gunfighter
Messages
7,181
Points
30
PlannerGirl said:
Ya know i tend to agree with Mike, i know i went to high school in BFE redneck ville and sex was THE thing to do-hell usualy on church grounds *you had to be at church every time the doors were open*
Dad was a preacher man, so I did it in the baptismal... I learned about the poor correlation between water and, erm, stuff, at an early age.

Yeah, I'm probably going to hell if one exisits, but I assure you it won't be for THAT little stunt!
 

Habanero

Cyburbian
Messages
3,241
Points
27
I think it has more to do with parenting than sprawl.. I lived in the suburbs, and grew up in a single Mom household (who is a planner, so we even had to learn about sprawl) but she ruled us with an iron fist. Granted, I wasn't chaste, but I knew my Mom was going to kick my a$$ and there wasn't going to be any college for me if I got prego.. it should be the "shame" center.
 

Wannaplan?

Galactic Superstar
Messages
3,149
Points
27
What I want to know is if members of the Oral Sex Clubs have to pay dues. If so, are the dues waived if one swallows?
 

Super Amputee Cat

Cyburbian
Messages
2,119
Points
28
Mike DeVuono said:
I grew up in the city, had everything I ever wanted within walking distance of my house, playgrounds, ball fields, schools, stores, etc. Guess what? I still know girls who were pregnant in high school, had abortions by the time they were 15, 14 year-old fathers, kids F***ing in the bathrooms in elementary school, etc.
Where did you grow up, Orland Park, Illinois? Oh wait, nothing there is within walking distance.

If you would have read my posts carefully you would have understood that I argued that suburban sprawl was just one of the factors contributing to increased teenage sexual activity - not its greatest contributor. For those I still blame brain-dead parents and the morally bankrupt entertainment medium. I do stand by my assertion that suburban sprawl is unhealthy for older children and, coupled with constant exposure to all kinds of sexual innuendo (or blatant pornography) in advertising, movies, television, etc, is resulting in teenage fornication (such as oral sex) at rates never before seen.

I also submit that proliferation of upper middle-class dual income households in search of all the consumer excesses (such as bigger house, bigger SUV, bigger vacation home, and bigger heated driveway) have certainly played a role in the moral and intellectual degeneration of children today. These are the types of parents that are pushing an agenda of keeping the schools open till 6:00 so they don't have to pay for day care and feel guilty about the sinful amounts of money they make and spend on themselves. They are so blinded by greed, so saturated and bombarded with a consumerist lifestyle, that they fail to see their kids crying for help until its too late. All this just to keep up with the Joneses.

(And before I get flamed by some of you who may be part of a dual income household with kids, let me say that I have no problem with couples that are trying to raise kids and find it necessary to hold down two jobs to make ends meet. No, what I have in mind are the quintessential yuppie parents who want state funded day care through our education system so they can go out and buy matching Lincoln Navigators. Those are the ones that have blood on their hands when they realize they have f-ed up kids)

It happens. In the suburbs, in the cities, on the farm, and in the ghetto. It has nothing to do with cars, sprawl, gated communities, zoning?, money, etc. [/B]
I agree that it happens everywhere, but some of these demographics are more prone to conformity than others. And if you think it has nothing to do with cars guess again. This has been true ever since cars were first mass-produced back in the 1910s (although at a blessedly much smaller scale than seen today). Why in the heck to you think they called it a "rumble seat", BTW?
 
Last edited:

Dan

Dear Leader
Staff member
Moderator
Messages
17,777
Points
58
(digs out his old high school yearbook)

Jeez ... seems like things were a lot more fast and loose way back in the good 'ol days ...
 

Wannaplan?

Galactic Superstar
Messages
3,149
Points
27
Dan said:
(digs out his old high school yearbook)

Jeez ... seems like things were a lot more fast and loose way back in the good 'ol days ...
No, that's the wrong picture. You accidentally posted the ORGY CLUB photo.
 

Jeff

Cyburbian
Messages
4,161
Points
27
Super Amputee Cat said:


I also submit that proliferation of upper middle-class dual income households in search of all the consumer excesses (such as bigger house, bigger SUV, bigger vacation home, and bigger heated driveway) have certainly played a role in the moral and intellectual degeneration of children today. These are the types of parents that are pushing an agenda of keeping the schools open till 6:00 so they don't have to pay for day care and feel guilty about the sinful amounts of money they make and spend on themselves. They are so blinded by greed, so saturated and bombarded with a consumerist lifestyle, that they fail to see their kids crying for help until its too late. All this just to keep up with the Joneses.


You need to calm down.

Why do you hate everything? Starbucks, people who make a decent living and buy nice things, etc. If people have the money to buy matching Lincoln Navigators and park them on a heated driveway so be it.

The point of the discussion was kids are kids, and times change. If you want to try to link it to some AICP type socio-economical planning phenomenon so be it, but I totally disagree with you. I'm sorry, I just don't believe that the sexual promiscuity of teenagers is in anyway related to whether or not they live in a "walkable" community, the city, or what kind of car their parents drive. I feel this is another half-witted attempt by someone with an anti-development viewpoint to push their issue.

Guns don't kill people, people kill people.

Cars don't get girls knocked up, boys do.

Regards :)
 

Chet

Cyburbian Emeritus
Messages
10,624
Points
34
Dan said:
(digs out his old high school yearbook)

Jeez ... seems like things were a lot more fast and loose way back in the good 'ol days ...
OMG that was 1984? *we were all such geeks*
 
Messages
3,690
Points
27
Also 9. However, not at an impossible age to be having sex - my friend's teacher mom in urban Atlanta had a pregnant 4th grader two years ago.
 

PlannerGirl

Cyburbian Plus
Messages
6,377
Points
29
the person that had sex with them needed to be shot, no castrated then shot
hell have sex with anyone under 17-18 and you got problems i dont care

i know i was not ready for sex-sure i WANTED it but ready for it was another thing all together
 

Jeff

Cyburbian
Messages
4,161
Points
27
KMateja said:
- my friend's teacher mom in urban Atlanta had a pregnant 4th grader two years ago.
How old are you in 4th grade? 9-10? Thta's insane!!

I'll bet you the parents drove Lincoln's :)
 
Messages
3,690
Points
27
Mike DeVuono said:


How old are you in 4th grade? 9-10? Thta's insane!!

I'll bet you the parents drove Lincoln's :)
Hee! Rob and his sister have a big old Lincoln Pimp Mobile that his grandfather left him when he died. We're storing it in his parent's garage and it gets driven around the block once a year.
 

NHPlanner

Forums Administrator & Gallery Moderator
Staff member
Moderator
Messages
9,885
Points
38
PlannerGirl said:
ummm i was not old enough to know was sex was in 1984 lets see i was 11
Me too....well, I was 10 for most of the year....
 

BKM

Cyburbian
Messages
6,464
Points
29
Geez Cat

I thought I liked to rant!

You are like some out-of-wedlock combination of Jim Kunstler, Mugbub, and Jerry Falwell. :)

You have some points, though. I think sprawl does lead to atomism and a poor sense of community.

I doubt the physical determinism is that strong. And, I LIKE consumerism (although you are correct about the absolute stupidity of the Lincoln Navigator). Better than giving 1/4 of my income to some top heavy church or even higher taxes.
 

Super Amputee Cat

Cyburbian
Messages
2,119
Points
28
Re: Geez Cat

BKM said:
I thought I liked to rant!

You are like some out-of-wedlock combination of Jim Kunstler, Mugbub, and Jerry Falwell. :)

You have some points, though. I think sprawl does lead to atomism and a poor sense of community.

I doubt the physical determinism is that strong. And, I LIKE consumerism (although you are correct about the absolute stupidity of the Lincoln Navigator). Better than giving 1/4 of my income to some top heavy church or even higher taxes.
I'm with you on Kunstler. But Mugwub and Falwell - No Way!

I have no problem with consumption to an extent - we need this to keep the economy rolling and the labor force employed. I'm just worried that we have become a nation that wants prosperity at any cost, regardless of how much civic and environmental degradation may result.

What I hate though is consumerism for the sake of consumerism. For example, there is nothing I loathe more than high-priced fashion apparel: The product itself, the marketing, the companies that market it, and the fools that buy into it. Look all around you at all the advertising for yuppie clothes and f-me pumps splattered across billboards, the TV screen, or the daily newspaper, all hawking this sleazy, high-end merchendise. You're basically paying for a label - such as Abercrombie & Fitch, even though you could get an equivalent off-brand item for a fifth the cost. That's the consumer culture that I despise: The "buy this product or your dogsh!t" mentality. It applies to clothes, cell-phones, cars, CDs, etc. They make you think that you absolutely have to have this stuff.

What's worse: Most of the people buying these high end items just put it all on their credit card and it isn't long before many are in hock up to their eyeballs. So what do they do: Hire some sleazy bankruptcy lawyer, get off without paying a cent, get more credit cards and continue to spend, spend, spend. Bankruptcy filings in my county are at and all time high.

All this results directly to kids at an ever-younger age being influenced by a culture of spending, conformity, and negation of responsibility. They become "little consumers” You can't even buy decent clothes for young kids anymore - it's all hookerwear thanks to the aggressive marketing of places like J. C. Penney pushing their high-priced fashion agenda of conformity through their inane Back-to-School specials in July.

Ever listen to the song Subdivisions by Rush. That's what I'm talking about.
 

BKM

Cyburbian
Messages
6,464
Points
29
You have a point. I've never understood the $300 shirts. Never understood the hooker wear for young kids. Thank God I am childless.

I DO like modernist ("trendy") furniture (although I buy a lot at Ikea, so its cheap) so I guess I am a fashion slave, too. Or, like so many planners, I am just an architect wanna-be who can't draw and has no real design sense :)

I don't buy the cheapest clothes, though. And, overspending IS an addiction that I will always struggle with. But, then I don't really drink, use drugs, etc. I have to have SOME vices (just kidding.)


On another topic:

What did you think about the article on Cyburbia naming Toledo as the worst city for design standards? I don't know, I've seen worse. Fort Wayne's magnificent trucks-malls-and-schlock Coliseum Blvd is what inspired me to go into this field.
 

Jeff

Cyburbian
Messages
4,161
Points
27
Cat...

You need to get on the guy who stole my credit card. $65.00 T-shirts!! Now there is a slave to fashion :)
 

GeekyBoy

Cyburbian
Messages
41
Points
2
There is nothing wrong with consumerism per se - as long as it is sustainable - of course it isn't.

My mantra...buy expensive, but also buy things that last and consume the least amount of resources in the long run. No disposables, no cheap prefab housing with a huge lawn that gives the illusion of having a "large life" in the god forbidden exurban sprawl and last but not least, no SUVs, minivans or other forms of gas guzzlers (if and when I get around to getting my license, that is :) )

GB
 

Super Amputee Cat

Cyburbian
Messages
2,119
Points
28
BKM said:

What did you think about the article on Cyburbia naming Toledo as the worst city for design standards? I don't know, I've seen worse. Fort Wayne's magnificent trucks-malls-and-schlock Coliseum Blvd is what inspired me to go into this field.
I haven't seen it - but it wouldn't surprise me. When I get back from vaca on Monday I will check it out and report my comments on it here or in a new thread.

Thanks for the heads up, BTW
 
Top