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Negotiating an offer

gtpeach

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Sooo... I'm terrible at this part of a job offer. The offer they made was at the top of the advertised salary range, so I'm not trying to get more money. I am going to try to come in under a higher leave time accrual structure. Even if they can't do that, I'll still take the job. To be honest, I really don't care that much about the extra leave time, but I did feel like I needed to at least make an attempt to negotiate to demonstrate that I believed I had value to provide the organization.

Does it look bad not to negotiate at all? I was a little hesitant since I know my current county doesn't like to negotiate leave time accrual, but that seemed more reasonable than asking for more money...
 

Salmissra

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If you aren't negotiating for $$$, and they can't budge on leave accrual, then inquire about being able to take a vacation before the probationary period is up. And be careful coming in too high in the pay scale - they might not be able to calculate a raise if you're already maxing out the pay scale.

What about flex time options? Is that an available item for discussion in your area?

County cell phone or vehicle option?
 

Suburb Repairman

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... inquire about being able to take a vacation before the probationary period is up.

County cell phone or vehicle option?
I've done this at every job I've had, and I almost always grant it in negotiation to others--doesn't really cost anything and I've always been bothered by the inability to take leave during probation period.

Do they offer a vehicle allowance? That's a good one that does have some impact to them as far as costs, but they don't have to pay retirement obligations on it. A take-home vehicle gets a little weird for tax purposes.

Honestly, with them bringing you in at the top of the advertised range, I wouldn't bother much with negotiating. They've already sent a clear message to you as far as value by going with the max posted.

The only job I ever got hardball with negotiation was my current one, mainly because I was taking a substantial pay cut (it was a quality of life job change for me). I got a car allowance (was first director-level non-emergency person to get that), phone stipend, five days of vacation leave up-front in addition to anticipated leave accrual & early access to use the leave.
 

MD Planner

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I always ask for more leave accrual. I refuse to start at the bottom with the years of experience I have. I'd also ask about relocation expenses (if that's an issue). You could (and should) ask for the budget to allow you to attend traning and conferences.

This is a bit of another topic but unless you're required to be available via cell phone I'd never take that. And if it was required I'd carry two phones instead of a stipend for your own. Once you use your own phone for work it suddenly becomes much easier for someone to request stuff on your personal phone. I'd never allow that.
 

gtpeach

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I've done this at every job I've had, and I almost always grant it in negotiation to others--doesn't really cost anything and I've always been bothered by the inability to take leave during probation period.

Do they offer a vehicle allowance? That's a good one that does have some impact to them as far as costs, but they don't have to pay retirement obligations on it. A take-home vehicle gets a little weird for tax purposes.

Honestly, with them bringing you in at the top of the advertised range, I wouldn't bother much with negotiating. They've already sent a clear message to you as far as value by going with the max posted.

The only job I ever got hardball with negotiation was my current one, mainly because I was taking a substantial pay cut (it was a quality of life job change for me). I got a car allowance (was first director-level non-emergency person to get that), phone stipend, five days of vacation leave up-front in addition to anticipated leave accrual & early access to use the leave.
I've actually never been told that taking vacation during a probationary period is not allowed. That's good to know! I'll just leave it at the leave accrual request and see what happens.
 

gtpeach

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Well... that was easy. My leave accrual request was approved. They do have money in the current budget for certifications/trainings. I'm the only person that will be using that for the most part. The only thing is that they will not be hiring a new specialist, so the department will basically be me and a secretary. Fun stuff!
 

Bubba

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Well... that was easy. My leave accrual request was approved. They do have money in the current budget for certifications/trainings. I'm the only person that will be using that for the most part. The only thing is that they will not be hiring a new specialist, so the department will basically be me and a secretary. Fun stuff!
Solid work. The only thing I negotiated for my current gig (move from one dark side firm to another) was a guarantee that I would never be asked to work for or market to one particular client (and I had no bad blood or burned bridges with that particular client - I was just tired of their projects and their project processes). It's a bit of a weird ask, but one they readily accommodated.
 

Habanero

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Well... that was easy. My leave accrual request was approved. They do have money in the current budget for certifications/trainings. I'm the only person that will be using that for the most part. The only thing is that they will not be hiring a new specialist, so the department will basically be me and a secretary. Fun stuff!
Awesome - congrats!
 

WSU MUP Student

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Solid work. The only thing I negotiated for my current gig (move from one dark side firm to another) was a guarantee that I would never be asked to work for or market to one particular client (and I had no bad blood or burned bridges with that particular client - I was just tired of their projects and their project processes). It's a bit of a weird ask, but one they readily accommodated.
I'm bumping this old thread because I am interested in the topic now but this response made me laugh. If I were negotiating something I have a few contacts on my list who I could see myself negotiating that I wouldn't be asked to work with anymore for the exact same reason - no bad blood, they are just a hassle.
 
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