"Those whom would give up essential liberties for temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security"Repo Man said:This is an extreme overreaction. What is next, banning photography at national monuments? On the street? Plus, the ban wouldn't apply to media people, which is stupid because the media could take pictures and post them in a newspaper for all to see anyhow. Some of the dumb stuff that governement is doing in the name of "protecting us from terrorsts" are a complete joke and serve more as a feel-good measure than an effective means to thwart terrorists.
The way to make a society free and reasonably safe is to put in appropriate support measures for Good Stuff. Merely focusing on squashing bad stuff...can leave you a vacuum more dangerous than what you have squashed and can promote bad stuff since focusing on something tends to magnify the issue. I agree: excessive.Wulf9 said:Excess.
One of the problems with a free society is that the freedom also leaves openings for bad people to do bad things.
If you take away enough freedoms to be able to control the bad people, you no longer have a free society.
So one of the prices of a free society is a certain amount of risk.
Last year, on my way out of town, I took a few picts of the Newark International NJ Transit station. A lady official on the opposite platform sprinted over, arms flailing, and yelled, "Stop! No pictures!"mgk920 said:The railroad enthusiast ('railfan') newsgroups have been crackling the last few days about New Jersey Transit and their rigorously enforced (and legally questionable) ban on photography of their facilities...
And in the interest of being inclusionary, no detailed descriptions for visually-impaired potential terrorists, either.Cardinal said:Let's take this to its logical conclusion. Airports and subway tunnels may be subjects of terrorism. To deny the terrorists access to information, we should prohibit people from taking pictures of them. Federal buildings are similarly threatened, as are other governmental buildings. So are monuments. So are large public places, like shopping malls, or even the local Wal-Mart (10 posts). Who are the targets of terrorist attacks? Celebrities, certainly, but also ordinary folks like you an me. Therefore I proposa a ban on all photography of any sort, and just to be safe, no sketching either.
A few years ago I had an encounter with a MARTA train station manager (who struck me as smart as the proverbial sack of hammers) who hassled me about my photography in a rude and hostile manner. I argued the point but she began escalating it in the direction of the MARTA police. Not willing to get arrested over the issue, since I already had my shots anyhow, I left the station and phoned MARTA, and received a call and apology from both MARTA's lawyer and the head of their police department. I was told there was no policy against photography, and the station manager was just ill informed.GCT13 said:
Heh well, for an update, the CTA has said that they're "not considering" a photography ban. Appearently what happened was that a local reporter asked the CTA president if they might do that too to find a local angle to the story and the CTA president said "Yeah I guess" or something like that.jordanb said:The Chicago CTA is appearently agitating to do the same now that the MTA is doing it.
Monkey see, monkey do.
Actually, this is kind of ironic, a couple of months ago an Iraqi family that lives here in Buffalo was videotaping the water plant down by the lake for some odd reason. The police stopped to check them and then let them go. Apparently they were tapping it to send it back to family in Iraq. Now that strikes me as odd. Why would they be tapping the water plant?B-)JNA said:A bit OT
What's next -
Do you think I will get trouble for taking pictures of our Greeenway that is located on our Levee ?
Who else might have this trouble ?
I rue the day they even begin to float the idea of a picture ban at Grand Central Terminal, the finest public space in NYC. But it doesn't take a big leap to imagine, if the subway ban is approved, that the policy voraciously grows to include all MTA properties.Rumpy Tunanator said:I'm also guilty of taking pictures of the subway in NYC and Grand Central Station after 9/11, but then again I saw other people taking pictures as well.
Look. Don't beat around the bush here - cameras don't take pictures, PEOPLE take pictures. What are people doing mucking around there in the first place? These are highly expensive, complex, technologically sophisticated operations areas, and all people do is inflict wear and tear, and shorten the usable life span of the project. They spray graffitt on the side of cars, they spill coffee on the seats, they wear down the treads in the stairway. Think how long the subway would last if - once we built it, we sucked all the air out and made a vacuum, and closed it off to all access? I bet we'd have that system for centuries, and no nasty little terrorists will get anywhere near. Same with our landmarks. How long will they last if we let people put their grubby little hands all over them? No, what we need to do is go to the ROOT of the problem, and enslave (oops) PROTECT the entire population in little glass bubbles, with a virtual reality based on the teletubbies world to live in where they can be of no harm to anyone or anything, and they can touch, step on, and photograph all they like without harming any of the precious resources we hold so dear.Plannerbabs said:And in the interest of being inclusionary, no detailed descriptions for visually-impaired potential terrorists, either.
Just to be safe, all movies, tv shows, and commercials should be filmed with the same generic "every-place" backdrop. No identifiable landmarks, please, someone may want to invade Central Perk.
We have been trying to do that for a while! It's called the "couch in the suburbs with 'must watch TV' " program!Spatial_Monkey said:... what we need to do is go to the ROOT of the problem, and enslave (oops) PROTECT the entire population in little glass bubbles, with a virtual reality based on the teletubbies world to live in where they can be of no harm to anyone or anything...