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Planning as an Occupation for a gay male

GeekyBoy

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I can't help but ask this question - how acceptable is a gay male planner in the profession?

GB
 

Chet

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I cant imagine its much different than any other, unless you're comparing to to the New Yorkk fashion industry, or Hollywood.
 

el Guapo

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No Problemo

If you worked hard and had good judgment even El Guapo (An Infamous Republican) would love to have you on his staff, I meant team.
 

Dan

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There's probably far less discrimination or hostility towards gays and lesbians in the planning professions than in other fields. Yes, there are homophobes out there, but there are fewer of 'em in the profession than in the population as a whole. Judging from the presence of minorities and women at local and national conferences, planning as a while is a pretty inclusive profession.

Planning isn't what one would call a "gay profession" in the same way that a breeder like me thinks of ... oh, interior design, the theatrical arts, girl's physical education teaching, or new age/Wicca bookstore management. Based on my informal observation, though, gays and lesbians probably make up a slightly higher percentage of all planning professionals, compared to other professions or the population as a whole. I also believe that there's far more "planners who happen to be gay" than "gay planners."

You might want to check out the APA GALIP (Gays and Lesbians in Planning) Web site at http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/lobby/7016/galip.htm . When GALIP was formed, there was quite a bit of debate among many APA members ... but it was along the lines of "should there be subchapters based on lifestyle or ethnicity?" rather than "we don't want them ho-mos workin' with us."

Do you care about the built environment? Care about cities, the people that live in them, the place you call home? Consider planning. Well, except in Topeka. :(



They're wrong. God really hates traffic engineers.
 

Tranplanner

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I think the profession as a whole is pretty tolerant. I can't speak for hicksville, but at least here in Toronto there don't seem to be any problems - the city has entrenched policies respecting sexual orientation, etc.

There are a number of planners I work with (in the public and private sectors) that are homosexual. Makes no difference to me.
 

el Guapo

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Hey!

I was trying to say even us old cranky republican farts are over that hang up, but if my clumsy attempt at humor hurt you feelings I didn't mean to. I can't promise you the road won't be without its bumps but it is a career I wouln't miss for the world - I don't give a damn who you like. Join us.
 

Chet

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Yeah, my first post was glib so like El Guapo, I should expound.

As a dept. director, I have final say over whom I hire. I usually run the name and credentials of the top candidate past the Mayor, and get his concurrence as to the incoming salary, probation, benefit bumps, etc. Although other staffers sit through the interviews and offer their comments and critiques, the final say is mine alone.

It would make no difference from a hiring perspective. In any profession you need to have contact with others, whether its the public, clients, customers, vendors, etc. Your abilities and not your lifestyle determine your suitability in a given career.

But one thing - in my department you would get the same treatment as anyone else. Anyone -for whatever reason except physical disability - that thinks they deserve special treatment and class status will have a wake up call.
 

el Guapo

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Topeka - ?

Topeka is in no way representative of the Westburo Baptist Church's ideology. Many wonderful people live there. And if anything they are probably more tolerant than a normal Midwestern town because they have had to put up with Phelps and his ilk. However there are probably better places to practice if the west side is an indication of the planning environment. Look around Cyburbia and you will find photos of the most fugly Wal-Mart ever built. That’s saying something.
 
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I would concur with Dan's post - planning has a heavier gay and lesbian population than many other professional professions. My class in grad school was 10% gay (granted, there were only 20 of us).
 

Chet

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KMateja said:
My class in grad school was 10% gay (granted, there were only 20 of us).
Isn't 10% is generally accept % of the populous anyways?

So, in recap, it's okay to browse www.cyburbia.org while at work, but it is generally not acceptable to browse www.gay.com

;)
 

Chet

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KMateja said:


is it? you would think having a gay brother i'd be more up on my gay stats.
Yeah that's the % I was taught - When I was a Sociology major, I had a class called "Sociology of Deviance" and that was a topic of discussion along with pedophilia, murder, fetishes, vice crimes, etc... Funny. I wonder if public universities are still teaching that homosexuality is deviant behavior?
 

Dan

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bturk said:
Isn't 10% is generally accept % of the populous anyways?
Don't quote me on this, but I've read somewhere (can't think of a source) that the 10% number is inflated ... a misinterpretation of the results from the original Masters and Johnson studies. The real percentage of the population that is gay is supposedly about 3% to 5%.

Again, I don't have anything to back up the numbers. Consider this misinformation, until I can find a cite.[/ot]
 

el Guapo

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bturk said:
When I was a Sociology major, I had a class called "Sociology of Deviance"
What is the percent of gun-toting, Reagan-Loving, conservatives planners? I have only found three here.
 

Chet

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El Guapo said:


What is the percent of gun-toting, Reagan-Loving, conservatives planners? I have only found three here.
As a percentage of posts, I'd say damned high.

**gratuitously moves towards 1000 posts**
 

el Guapo

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And to think I shared something so personal with you this very morning. I thought we had bonded.
 

Chet

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;)HIJACK[/B

El Guapo said:
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And to think I shared something so personal with you this very morning. I thought we had bonded.
Soft porn is rarely "personal".

;) END HIJACK
 

giff57

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bturk said:


I had a class called "Sociology of Deviance"
Hey, I've taken that class, it was back in the 80's though
 

nerudite

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I know a lot of gay planners, both from small towns (where they weren't necessarily "out" to the general population) and larger towns where sexual orientation seemed to be common knowledge. I have never seen any phobic reactions within the planning field, although sometimes administration can be a little less accepting (upper management in small towns). I may not be the best person to ask though, as I have done most of my planning in very liberal environments (Davis, CA and the Portland area). But I would agree that short of some stereotypical professions, planning and architecture have a high percentage of gays and lesbians.
 

Chet

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giff57 said:


Hey, I've taken that class, it was back in the 80's though
So was mine. Heck, back then Reagan didn't even acknowledge that AIDS was a national epidemic.
 

el Guapo

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I love you bTurk!

bturk said:
;)HIJACK
Soft porn is rarely "personal".
;) END HIJACK

Now you get chain letters asking you to be my friend and send them back to me!

[ot]I have a list of folks I know......all written in a book,

and every now and then......I go and take a look.

That is when I realize these names......they are a part,

not of the book they're written in......but taken from the heart.

For each name stands for someone......who has crossed my path sometime,

and in that meeting they have become......the reason and the rhyme.

Although it sounds fantastic......for me to make this claim,

I really am composed......of each remembered name.

Although you're not aware......of any special link,

just knowing you, has shaped my life......more than you could think.

So please don't think my greeting......as just a mere routine,

your name was not......forgotten in between.

For when I send a greeting......that is addressed to you,

it is because you're on the list......of folks I'm indebted to.

So whether I have known you......for many days or few,

in some ways you have a part......in shaping things I do.

I am but a total......of many folks I've met,

you are a friend I would prefer......never to forget.

Thank you for being my friend !!

Ok, Let's see how many friends you have!! Here goes.

Instantly......when you receive this letter, you're requested to send it to at least 10 people, including the one who sent it to you.[/ot]

Dan is this the stuff you were talking about being Off Topic?
 

El Feo

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El Guapo said:


What is the percent of gun-toting, Reagan-Loving, conservatives planners? I have only found three here.
El G.,

I hope I count, even though they confiscated my guns (well, the ones they could find anyway) at the border when I moved here.

Your rosco-less brother, who now relies exclusively on plain old ugliness for defense,

El Feo
 

el Guapo

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I stand corrected.

Make that four.

Have no fears; when the revolution comes you will be emailed the Lat. and Lon. of the cache located nearest you. Select someting nice on me! Eh?
 

el Guapo

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Sumpin like that

I enjoyed geochaching until the plebians joined and ruined it.

Guapo combines his love for GPS's, Orienteering, Mountain Bikes and nature frequently. He often leaves the guns at home. :eek

WE are so off of Gay Planning, not that there is anything wrong with that, it aint funny. Somebody split this thread! Please
 

El Feo

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Re: Sumpin like that

El Guapo said:
WE are so off of Gay Planning, not that there is anything wrong with that, it aint funny. Somebody split this thread! Please
Let's pull this sucker back on course...

No problem in this profession, in my experience. Frankly, I think it's not a problem in most professions in 2002, with the possible exception of NASCAR pit crew, and I've lived in some pretty, er, buttoned-down places.

The best boss I ever had was gay. Conversely, the worst co-worker I ever had was gay. "Gay" wasn't ever an issue - bring a strong work ethic and a fair amount of common sense to the job, and you'll have my respect. That's basically what it boils down to.
 

Cardinal

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I can't say that I know any gay (at least openly) people in economic development, and only a couple planners. I would not think it would be different from most professions, or perhaps a bit better, especially given that most of the construction industry is gay, just like the Teamsters.
 

Chet

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Michael Stumpf said:
I would not think it would be different from most professions, or perhaps a bit better, especially given that most of the construction industry is gay, just like the Teamsters.
WHAT??? Are you saying that they like to stay at the

Y -- M -- C -- A ??
 
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Half of the male planners at the my previous job with the city are gay. No one cared one way or the other.
 

GeekyBoy

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Thanks!

Thank you for the overwhelming response!

It's nice to see such a positive attitude towards these things nowadays. And of course, competence in work should always be the key - instead of turning it into a personal playground of "queer politics".

re: %

If you use a really strict definition of homosexuality - it comes to around 2% of the population.

GB
 
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