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Public Dollars At Work

Duke Of Dystopia

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Ok, the issue of where public money should be directed has been brought up on the O'Rielly thred. Specificaly about not wanting public money to go to PBS.

There has been coverage in recent court cases on this issue at many College Campus' across the nation. The concept of only paying for what "I" want is a reductive argument to budget by lowest common denomenator.

I want PBS to continue, even if it needs public money to do it, even when I don't agree (which is often). I will GLADLY make room for others as long as thier is reciprocation.

Am I alone in this? Discussion need not be limited AT ALL to PBS.
 

Cardinal

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We get seniors who complain all the time about money that is "wasted" on parks, especially if it is a conservancy (i.e., "swampland"). Of course, they are the only park/recreation activity that does not have to pay some user fee, such as does baseball or soccer. And they want their own senior center. [SARCASM]After all, they worked their whole lives and now they are owed it.[/SARCASM]
 

H

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To Cyburbia.

Giving regular posters paying jobs of course (maybe a pay per post scale system), with hope I would be included once I get to the clube.
 
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moose

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I've always thought that after you figure out how much you owe for taxes (late on April the 14th -- my birthday, incidentally), there should be an optional attachment with a list (very, very long, to be sure) of services/programs/items that you want your tax dollars to go towards. So I could check stuff like "the environment" and "National Endowment for the Arts" and "education" and not "Department of Defense." If you don't much care where your dollars go, then you don't have to fill out the form and you dollars will be split up just the way they are now.

A simplistic view, I'm sure, but I can dream, yes?
 

Duke Of Dystopia

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Should keep a running tab.

NO:

Parks
senier centers
conservancy areas
national defence
Agriculture Subsidies
PBS (just waiting for EG :) )

Question for EG, does everybody get to cut out everything they want that the government suports for your pet projects? Personally, I want the things above. ALL of them. I don't know anybody who doesn't get a kick back in some way shape or form in this country.

Just for the list, I will add Agriculture Subsidies
 

plankton

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To me, losing national public radio & television would be akin to losing (an already woeful) national train system. It would be an embarrassment on an international scale. We're the &^%$@! richest country in the world and the fact that we'd even consider defunding the channel that brought all of us Sesame Street and the Electric Company in our most formative years is so very sad.

And, by all means, stop the freakin' agricultural subsidies. The next time a Klamath basin farmer gripes about how it is his god given right to farm fallow ground on the backs of taxpayers - talk to a New England apple farmer about who really got screwed by subsidising the irrigation of the west.
 

el Guapo

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Would anyone have a problem if we funded another PBS: A conservative PBS? Imagine for a moment an entirely new and equally funded PBS where Limbaugh and O'Riley's ilk would be welcome and given government funded air time? Can ya dig it? If not, why not?

I imagine they would both have to split the existing pot of public broadcasting money. That would suck for POV they could only rant about whitey every other week. Did I just imply PBS was racist? My bad.

That's that answer. I think I'll write my elected representatives.
 

The Irish One

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I thought about that solution as well and seriously I think it could be done. Just give equal funding for each slant.
 

el Guapo

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PBS Funding based upon the popular vote. 43% for Commies (D). 43% percent for the Nazis (R). 10% for the clueless (I) and 4% for the Greenies (?).

Now here it the cool part. Can we conservatives place one of our stations in Berkeley? I know it is akin to letting the Nazi's march in a Jewish hood, but the ACLU fought for that right.
 

Greenescapist

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The Irish one said:
I thought about that solution as well and seriously I think it could be done. Just give equal funding for each slant.
I think that's foolish. Yes, I'm sure there are some programs on NPR and PBS that show a bias. But, it would be impossible to address public issues by removing all bias. The people who put the programs together are only human. I think a majority of programming on both is either cultural or educational -like science, kids shows, antiques, garden shows, Car Talk, Prairie Home Companion, symphonycast, etc. Now, how would you have a conservative version of those? Car Talk for people who drive Lincoln Navigators? Hummers?
 

el Guapo

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Greenescapist said:
...Yes, I'm sure there are some programs on NPR and PBS that show a bias.
Once again the point is made for me - this time by a greenie no less. Thanks :)

This post is 100% Recycled Post-Clinton Era Conservative Rant
 

Seabishop

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Spewer of fundamentalist hate-speech, or communist-sympathizing destroyer of traditional family values? You decide.



I don't think PBS should be defunded, but you only need to look at the coverage of the reconstruction of Iraq to see the media's slant against Bush and the war. Kaye comes out with the report detailing all sorts of illegal weapons and all the headlines read "No Smoking Gun." Kaye himself was reportedly surprised at the nature of the coverage. There has been so much progress in restoring normalcy there that barely gets reported. The first thing Katie Couric tells you every morning is how an American died, and how things are spiralling out of control. Many of the deaths are coming from external terrorists who have come in for their chance to kill Americans. Troops in Iraq are also often surprised at how big the difference is between what they experience and what the press reports.

BTW - Fox News sucks the other way, promoting every local instance of bizarre political correctness etc.

EG, what do you think about public universities with ultra-partisan professors? How do you prevent English Lit 101 from becoming "Advanced Seminar in Marxism" without limiting free speech?
 

El Feo

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Seabishop said:
Spewer of fundamentalist hate-speech, or communist-sympathizing destroyer of traditional family values? You decide.



You know, this gives me an idea, which appeals to the craven money-grubber that is (so I have been told) the very essence of every Republican. PBS can keep its public funding, as long as taxpayers get to split the profits from the sale of each and every Sesame Street and other PBS-related product on a pro rata basis. :)
 

el Guapo

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Seabishop said:
EG, what do you think about public universities with ultra-partisan professors? How do you prevent English Lit 101 from becoming "Advanced Seminar in Marxism" without limiting free speech? [/B]
Well, I got a few B's that were not deserved because I respectfully challenged them in class. After looking at the Republican Guard head on at night a little Marxist with the power over the GPA was not nearly as scarry. Profs don't have green tracers.

On a college campus free speech is only for the left.


All the conservatives are asking for is equal time for our message. Is that so wrong? Or are the lefties so INTOLLERANT?
 

Wulf9

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Keep it funded. I get most of my "news" from a variety of sources. I rarely get it from market broadcast media, which, in my mind, has developed a bias toward the way the current administration thinks. I don't call it right wing or conservative because many of their core issues would reduce personal freedom and support huge government subsidies or intervention to favor non-public enterprises. That, to me, is not conservative.

A recent survey showed that people who relied on network television for news were likely to be ill informed about the true nature of the events being described.

If we had good investigative journalism, Kay's description of what was found would be dissected by the press and found to be true or false. With the current news media, the news monopolies will determine Kay to be "true" or, if false, will give him a day or two in the news and then bury the subject. They won't dig into the subject. But that really means that we can't trust the news we get. Is there or is there not progress in Iraq?

It is probable that we would have had time to build a coalition to handle Saddam Hussein with or without war, had the news media truly reported that the evidence used by the Administration to start a war was not credible. This is not to say that we would or would not have gone to war, but it is to say that we didn't have to go it alone, on an accelerated timetable, and blowing off most of our traditional allies. In my mind, that's the reason to have a free press. PBS offers an alternative to the news monopolies and their one-sided view of the news. It's good to have something to provide a balance.
 

Duke Of Dystopia

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el Guapo said:
....After looking at the Republican Guard head on at night a little Marxist with the power over the GPA was not nearly as scarry. Profs don't have green tracers.

On a college campus free speech is only for the left.

All the conservatives are asking for is equal time for our message.
I had a better experience with my commy proffessors. One of my better friends is a professor I had in undergrad in the UW system. He is a card carrying commy. Did his PhD in geography as a marxist geographer. He has often called me a national socialist (Nazi for the uninformed) :)

He says that the one thing he really appreciates about conservatives is that at least you know where you stand. They don't try to be wishy washy.

No it is not a bad thing you should want equal time to get the point across.

The whole point of the thread is not to discuss PBS in specific but to get at the idea of tit for tat in the spending process of oppositinal goals.

Collage campus' do NOT have free speach because of the PC crowd. This bothers me. The liberal voices have tried to steel papers to prevent a conservative viewpoint from being heard. Shut down the paper. Conservative young GOP members have tried to block funding of BLTG (rainbow organizations) from recieving funding because the schools are funded by the state. Shut the young repubs down.

The point being that soon the tit for tat leaves a barren landscape of nothing. Either everybody can get some funding or nobody. It's one more method of preventing your oposition from being heard.
 
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