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RTDNTOTO 🐻 Random Thoughts Deserving No Thread of Their Own 16 (2021)

Annual Random Thoughts Deserving No Thread Of Their Own threads

mendelman

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Okay the Great Gazoo sucked too, but for different reasons. Cousin Oliver is actually a trend that we saw develop in the 70's where producers intentionally introduced a cute li'l kid in order to prop up ratings and make old shows more interesting (news flash - IT DIDN'T WORK).
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Cousin Oliver trope
 

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Want to feel old? Raven now has a show on Disney where she has teenaged kids!

I didn't care for her on The Cosby Show but I will say this for Raven: She's definitely kept busy acting through the years. She's had a lot more of an acting career than most (all?) of the rest of the Cosby kids.

Don't forget this guy:

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I actually liked the Great Gazoo.


I'll see myself out now.....
 

mendelman

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I moved. Moving sucks a lot. I am worn out. However, I now live 1.5 blocks from my office, the post office, the grocery store, and a bar.
Sincerely, you're going to love it. Being steps from stuff is the best.

Our first apartment when we moved to Chicago was on the 4th floor of an old mixed use building that had a full service diner in the front corner.

Their fries were pretty good.

Then we moved to Oak Park, IL and lived exactly one block north of this full service grocery store.

It's actually kind of neat how small towns and parts of big metros can have good similarities.
Damn you for including that link to the tv tropes website. There goes the rest of my afternoon :mad:
I know...right? That is probably one of the most erudite websites on the entirety of the interwebs.
 

TOFB

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Sincerely, you're going to love it. Being steps from stuff is the best.

Our first apartment when we moved to Chicago was on the 4th floor of an old mixed use building that had a full service diner in the front corner.

Their fries were pretty good.

Then we moved to Oak Park, IL and lived exactly one block north of this full service grocery store.

It's actually kind of neat how small towns and parts of big metros can have good similarities.

I know...right? That is probably one of the most erudite websites on the entirety of the interwebs.
I DM'd H66 and found out where he moved to. Small towns In Iowa are either dying dumps or really cool. He found a cool one for sure.
 

mendelman

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I DM'd H66 and found out where he moved to. Small towns In Iowa are either dying dumps or really cool. He found a cool one for sure.
That's true of rural parts of MI and OH too in my experience.
 

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Why didn't the excel sheet just know to be landscape? I swear I have to do EVERYTHING around here.... ;)
 

Big Owl

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I am building a computer for my daughter, she mainly plays Minecraft so it's not too extremes. It is the first one that I built since the 90's. The technology has changed quite a bit. It is significantly easier now than it was back then. I remember ordering components for my first computer that I built out of a catalog and it took a month or so to get all the parts. Everything for this build was ordered late last week and most everything has been delivered. I did opt for integrated graphics as oppose to a graphics card because the graphics card market is crazy right now.
 

Hawkeye66

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Sincerely, you're going to love it. Being steps from stuff is the best.

Our first apartment when we moved to Chicago was on the 4th floor of an old mixed use building that had a full service diner in the front corner.

Their fries were pretty good.

Then we moved to Oak Park, IL and lived exactly one block north of this full service grocery store.

It's actually kind of neat how small towns and parts of big metros can have good similarities.

I know...right? That is probably one of the most erudite websites on the entirety of the interwebs.


Yep. I am super excited. The house is great too. It was built as the rail station master's house and is a Craftsman. The guy I am buying it from basically restored it to nearly original condition but with modern fixtures.

I know that Jewel well. I lived on Home Ave for a year and took Metra to the Loop.
 

mendelman

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I know that Jewel well. I lived on Home Ave for a year and took Metra to the Loop.
Cool. Our apartment building was at the corner of Washington and Scoville. It was a great spot in Oak Park, especially since it was before children.
 

Hawkeye66

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Cool. Our apartment building was at the corner of Washington and Scoville. It was a great spot in Oak Park, especially since it was before children.

Yep. I loved the theatre in downtown Oak Park. We saw the Madness of King George and Pulp Fiction there among others. I really enjoyed my city living phase, but yes you can achieve the same sort of lifestyle in a small town. I have really come to enjoy it now in my 50's. Oak Park was more my speed in my 20's lol.

My favorite of those old Chicagoland theatres is the Tivoli in Downer's Grove. They had a guy playing the organ who sunk into the stage as the movie began.
 

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I had to look up Cousin Oliver as I forgot who that was and it's a thing - The Cousin Oliver syndrome - an attempt to boost ratings on a long standing show by adding a little kid, especially shows where the kids are all grown

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I can't believe we got through that whole discussion without a mention of Jumping the Shark (of which Cousin Oliver Syndrome is a subset).
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Yep. I am super excited. The house is great too. It was built as the rail station master's house and is a Craftsman. The guy I am buying it from basically restored it to nearly original condition but with modern fixtures.

I know that Jewel well. I lived on Home Ave for a year and took Metra to the Loop.
Just a crazy shot in the dark
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Big Owl

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I can't believe we got through that whole discussion without a mention of Jumping the Shark (of which Cousin Oliver Syndrome is a subset).
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I use to have the opinion that there was no way that the Flintstones could have jumped the shark because the entire premise of the show was so far fetched that nothing wasn't off limits to them. I have changed my mind, as they could have had a "very special episode" which would have been their "jumped the shark moment".
 

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I use to have the opinion that there was no way that the Flintstones could have jumped the shark because the entire premise of the show was so far fetched that nothing wasn't off limits to them. I have changed my mind, as they could have had a "very special episode" which would have been their "jumped the shark moment".

yes, anytime a commercial for a show said "a very special episode" it was code for, we are trying desperately to bring our numbers up
 

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Wording in a zoning ordinance

same use different subsections -
a. immediately adjacent to the building
b. within fifty feet of the building

so fifty feet is adjacent ?

is this wording an example of close proximity ?
 

mendelman

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Dan

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NEEDS MORE BROWN

Oldsmobile Hurst/Olds. If you bought iittle solar-powered LED lights to shove into the dirt by your wa;lkway, here's your damn car.

Seriously, I remember the Hurst/Olds special editions. I'll just say ...

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My 2019 Subaru Legacy with a slow-ass normally aspirated 2.4 liter boxer puts out about 185 HP. I get better 0-60 times with that car (about 8 seconds, and that's with a CVT) than my parents' 1978 Chevrolet Caprice Classic with a small block 350 when I was a kid with a newly minted license. (For what it's worth, 0-60 in for-friggin'-ever, though it was a smooth for-friggin'-ever.) I could only get the tires to squeak if I did a neutral banger juuuust right. One night, in the summer of '87, I borrowed the Impala when my '81 Ford Granada (Fox body!) was in the shop yet again. I backed out of a parking space, gently touched the accelerator -- no, really -- and the drive shaft sheared in two. That was the end of the big silver Box Chevy.

Anyhow, 185 horsepower. I love the Legacy, but I'm not forking over $35K for the 260 hp turbo.
 

Maister

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Just making sure you're paying attention.
For such a long post, you ultimately had very little to say. Unless of course that post was intended to conceal a data burst... or is coded....or means something different if you read it backwards or vertically....or you tried and tried but just couldn't get your Old McDonald on...
 

Bubba

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Now that we are both fully vaccinated, Mrs. Bubba informed me yesterday that we are heading to somewhere in the Caribbean to sit on a beach for a few days sooner rather than later. I think someone is a bit tired of pandemic living...
 

Hink

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Now that we are both fully vaccinated, Mrs. Bubba informed me yesterday that we are heading to somewhere in the Caribbean to sit on a beach for a few days sooner rather than later. I think someone is a bit tired of pandemic living...
Indeed. I would recommend the Bahamas... ;)
 
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