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Superbowl Halftime (was part of Superbowl Ads Thread)

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Forget the ads ... what about the halftime show? 8-!
 

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did that just happen???

OK... did what I think I saw... happen.. because you know it will be all over the internet in the next few hours???
 

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I'll break the "no links to NSFW sites or pages" policy this time, because this link is to a site that is nomally very work-safe, and sshouldn't trigger any IT department pr0n logging.

http://www.drudgereport.com/
 

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I'm going to paraphrase a rant here, because it seems so fitting, and expresses exactly how I feel.

CBS is backing away and apologizing as fast as it can, the NFL claims to be "outraged," the network was deluged with phone calls, all over two seconds of boobage during a halftime show.

What the is the huge deal? Are we still so backwards in this country that we fear the sight of a breast? Who are these prudes who call a TV network to complain? This is what these people need to do to feel fulfilled in life? This is somehow important? This is really their idea of an "outrage?"

Janet Jackson's breast is a beautiful thing. I'd love to see much more of it and the other one as well. This was a great moment in Superbowl history. Why can't people appreciate it for what it is?

Yes ... there's kids watching. So what? It does not harm a child to see Janet Jackson's boob. Your kids are not going to die if they see a little nudity. It's only "nudity" by culture anyway. Kids in Europe, where they show hard core porn on over-the-air television, turn out just fine, if not less effed up than their North American peers.

CBS, you're a bunch of nutless cowards. The NFL, too. You should have stood up. You're not going to get hurt. There is an extremely high correlation of football fans to boob fans. I can't believe a single football fan is going to stop watching games because he saw Janet Jackson's boob and any that do deserve to have their asses kicked.

We watch huge guys beat the crap out of each other for two hours, yet we get upset at two seconds of aerola?

Boobs are good. Janet Jackson's boob is good.

Uptight, puritanical scolds are not.
 

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Dan said:
I'm going to paraphrase a rant here, because it seems so fitting, and expresses exactly how I feel.

CBS is backing away and apologizing as fast as it can, the NFL claims to be "outraged," the network was deluged with phone calls, all over two seconds of boobage during a halftime show.

What the is the huge deal? Are we still so backwards in this country that we fear the sight of a breast? Who are these prudes who call a TV network to complain? This is what these people need to do to feel fulfilled in life? This is somehow important? This is really their idea of an "outrage?"

Janet Jackson's breast is a beautiful thing. I'd love to see much more of it and the other one as well. This was a great moment in Superbowl history. Why can't people appreciate it for what it is?

Yes ... there's kids watching. So what? It does not harm a child to see Janet Jackson's boob. Your kids are not going to die if they see a little nudity. It's only "nudity" by culture anyway. Kids in Europe, where they show hard core porn on over-the-air television, turn out just fine, if not less effed up than their North American peers.

CBS, you're a bunch of nutless cowards. The NFL, too. You should have stood up. You're not going to get hurt. There is an extremely high correlation of football fans to boob fans. I can't believe a single football fan is going to stop watching games because he saw Janet Jackson's boob and any that do deserve to have their asses kicked.

We watch huge guys beat the crap out of each other for two hours, yet we get upset at two seconds of aerola?

Boobs are good. Janet Jackson's boob is good.

Uptight, puritanical scolds are not.
We are people trying to raise children in a toxic society. :)
 

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el Guapo said:
We are people trying to raise children in a toxic society. :)
I fully expect to see "penetration" during the half-time show of Super Bowl XXXX.
 

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Budgie
I think every media outlet is waiting to see if they get away with it. There is a great Marge Simpson quote where she talks about the Fox network that goes something like this, "...the change at Fox to the nation's first hard core porn network was so gradual no one even noticed."

I'm thinking that Little Kim would be a good choice for next year's host. I can't wait for that show. I’ll be home with my nieces (4,6, and 8) so I can show them the positive role model that Lil Kim has become to America’s youth. “Yes girls, learn to cuss like a Moroccan whore, undulate with foreign objects at your crotch, and have sex with multiple partners on screen and we will all think so very highly of you. The only thing we won’t respect is your not being on the ragged edge of the culture curve. Don’t try to get by on talent and hard work, no instead learn to shock middle American and then laugh at them for being conservative, or un hip or un-cool. Because, no matter what else you are in life, being un-cool is the worst thing of all.”

I’m betting that under President Kerry, in five years the team at Hustler will get the contract for the halftime show. After all **** will get boring eventually. We will have seen them all. (Angela Landsburry your time has come sister ;)) We need to really break with convention. After the Interstate Batteries Presents the All American Anal Halftime, featuring Adult Film Star, and former singing sensation Britney Spears we will have become jaded as a nation. Nothing is worse than being jaded. We will need to find new things to entertain us. Didn’t the darling of the left, John Lennon once forecast that people would just eventually be “doing it in the streets?” He really wasn’t too imaginative (pun intended) because I can see far beyond that in my mind's eye. We each need to tap our inner Caligulas!

Why not human sacrifices, political executions, gay beatings, and wife slapping at half time? Because as Dan argues, I’ll bet there is a huge correlation between guys that like their football and kicking some queer’s ass, smacking their wives a bit (‘come on, you know the bitch deserved it), they’d love to be killing some Arab terrorist if they didn’t have a job at the Jiff Lube. You know they like to see the execution of murderers and hell I’ll bet they don’t like Jews much either if you really want to pander to all the demographics the NFL attracts. (Sorry for stereotyping but it was necessary here.)

Sorry Dan this is one area where you are clearly wrong. These halftime shows have gone astray. I will be writing the FCC, NFL, CBS, and every single sponsor of the game expressing my disgust (yes, I didn't even see it, but I reserve the right to question its appearance on a network channel in what is perceived to be safe viewing time). The people in charge seem to be reveling in their "getting away with it" from the press accounts I am reading. It would have been just hunky dory if we prudes had been warned and given a chance to turn the channel to Turner Classic Movies where we feel comfortable. But no, your side of the equation isn’t happy unless they get away with shoving it in our faces.

Let's look at it in some perspective: What great amount of artistic merit did the little stunt merit? Did it add to the public discourse? Or did it just titillate? (Pun intended) My guess is that there will be someone's daughter gets her shirt yanked off at some high school by some dumb ass testosterone loaded kid as a result. Now, is that an argument for a'priori censorship, no it is an argument for self-censorship. But the potential boost to everyone's career from putting Janet’s (.) in the world’s living room benefits: Justin, Janet, CBS, MTV's, Time Warner, the entertainment industry, the news media and so many others. The benefits so outweigh any possible FCC fines or boycott costs that it was a smart business move for everyone. Next year Budgie’s mild penetration will be a gold mine too. The curve keeps going until we have Jews and Christians in a pit with lions.

Quote by Dan "I'm gonna kick your prudish asses" Tasman
I can't believe a single football fan is going to stop watching games because he saw Janet Jackson's boob and any that do deserve to have their asses kicked.
No, according you that means I deserve an ass whipping. Responsible speech Dan? :-\

Call me an old stick in the mud, or worse, but I’m right on this one.
 

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el Guapo said:
Budgie
Budgie’s mild penetration will be a gold mine too.
Who said anything about "mild".

Have you noticed that Ron Jeremy is all over the television? Who wants to be a porn star? Hell, porn stars are almost mainstream entertainers. Soon you'll find them on Hollywood Squares and during celebrity week on Wheel of Fortune. It's only a matter of time till there's a celebrity porn star Survivor. The odd thing about this is that I'm not complaining.
 

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Call me an old stick in the mud, or worse, but I’m right on this one.

Sorry, but I don't think the half second,long distance shot is worth ranting about either way. The country isn't going to hell because of a quick long distance boobie glance. And come on.....CBS and the NFL acting all surprised? MTV has been pulling crap like this for years. The claim of an accident is laughable, I'm sure Janet always runs around sporting a silver pastie..... GMAFB
 

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Budgie said:
Who said anything about "mild".

Have you noticed that Ron Jeremy is all over the television? Who wants to be a porn star? Hell, porn stars are almost mainstream entertainers. Soon you'll find them on Hollywood Squares and during celebrity week on Wheel of Fortune. It's only a matter of time till there's a celebrity porn star Survivor. The odd thing about this is that I'm not complaining.
You have to tease it out slowly Budgie. You can't jump straight to a gangbang during the pre-game report with Amad Rashad. You have to incrementalize it. It has to be one micro step at a time. That way the prudes don't have anything they can pin down as the watershed moment. As John Cleese said, "don't just jump straight to the clitoris, give her a kiss boy"

As to porn starts, well they gained the mainstream creds they needed when the Clinton Administration failed to distance themselves from Larry Flint (the enemy of my enemy...) and Hollywood celebrated his life's story with a major motion picuture. America is hooked on the crack of "getting away it" "no boundaries" "no rules" and Madison Avenue, the media, and corporate America are to blame. These are the diseases or side effects of a free market economy. And there is nothing anyone can do about it. It is going to happen. Case in point: The State of Kansas is looking into running state-owned casinos. Yes, that is similar to the State of Utah deciding to run a HoHouse. We have gone way too far down the road to call it all back in.

Otherwise intellegent people think this is all Ok. They have been educated not to judge right and wrong. The only thing that is really wrong in this society is being judgemental.


Story on the "show" http://www.dfw.com/mld/dfw/entertainment/7856257.htm?template=contentModules/printstory.jsp
 

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Worksafe? You decide.

http://us.news1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/rids/20040202/i/r2794264459.jpg
 

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EG, I don't want to fight... but I suggest you never enter a Museum where there are sculptures and paintings of naked people. Oh and please if you do, don't dress the statues up. ;)

Worksafe? you decide: http://www.orcadecor.com/images/Statues/Venus-de-milo_i.jpg

EDIT: took off the url tags, so you could know beforehand what is the content of the link ;)
 
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I agree with El Guapo here. I did not see the half-time show; my 13 year old daughter told me about it after the flash happened. I didn't think that my husband or I should check the content of the Super Bowl before our kids can watch it. She was half amused, half repulsed. The thing is, if Janet Jackson and Timberlake can get away with this on national television, the same thing will happen on the streets, in the mall and at school. OK, so maybe it already is. Yes, sexual harassment happens in middle school, so today, some girl's skirt or blouse will be tugged by a boy who thinks it's a cool thing to do.

It's not about a half second, long distance shot. We (most) parents try to raise our kids to respect themselves and others, yet kids see adults (I use that loosely) acting without respect and modesty. Like it or not, our kids admire some of these performers, and will emulate their misbehavior. We have to stop glamorizing performers. To these kids, today's scandal = glamor, and it's misguided.

Oh, and about museum art. There's quite a difference between the interaction between a true artist and a subject, and the interactions between the male part of a singing duet exposing his female partner's breast in front of a televised audience.
 

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Skel, you are so very wrong. I love art and the human body. But I also decide for myself what is good art and what is just the pursuit of a buck under the guise of art.

What the NFL did was take one product (football) and try to enhance their viewership for next year by being provocative with a proven sales tool (sex).

Follow with me if you can, young one:

1. I have a child I am responsible to society for raising to be a positive member of society.

2. If I let MTV and BET raise my son as many parents do I would turn out on this world a morally bankrupt man. Perhaps even another Carr brother. Read More: http://www.cjonline.com/stories/110502/kan_carrbros.shtml That course of action would be criminal, yet I don't hear near the wailing from the left over it.

3. If I have a responsibility to society I need to exercise due caution in the way my son receives his programming concerning right and wrong and good and bad. My little knowledge sponge sucks up knowledge very quickly and from the most subtle clues.

4. The ripping off of Ms. Jackson's Velcro boob patch had no redeeming value other than to entertain people that enjoy that sort of thing.

5. The NFL knew that parents with children who would object to such a display were watching. They had a duty to allow us the option of going else where with our viewership. We were duped.

6. Your characterization of me having a fear of nudity is a poor argument. I love the jumblys. It is that there is a time and place for everything. That was clearly not the place.

My goal is to raise a good person who treats women with much more respect than was demonstrated by Mr. Timberlake last night. His viewing that display was counterproductive to that goal and my not being outraged would reinforce the message that "its all cool, G."

Thanks KMS Your's was a brave move to come to the aid of an unpopular opinion. :)
 

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Hear, hear, EG. It wasn't just the breast baring incident, the entire show was ridiculous. Kid Rock, P. Diddy, Justin Timberlake? Sheesh. This is what passes for talent these days?

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EG, I don't want to fight... but I suggest you never enter a Museum where there are sculptures and paintings of naked people. Oh and please if you do, don't dress the statues up. ;)
Skel, come on. Do you really think the Superbowl stunt and the Venus deMilo are the same thing? Using your logic, Hustler Magazine and a Renoir painting are the same thing. Yet, I have never heard of teenage boys passing up a chance to sneak Uncle Bob's Hustler when they can just hie off to the Public Library and check out a picture book of French art without anyone batting an eye (I know I never would have). Sorry, the Superbowl bit was intended to shock and tittilate (pun intended again). The whole show was designed to pander to our basest sensibilities and to see what can be gotten away with (which is part and parcel of most our popular culture today). Not so with Michelangelo.

EG, you are right about pushing the envelope. That show would never have been part of the Superbowl even ten years ago. I'm no prude (don't let anyone tell you otherwise) but as a parent and a citizen it's distressing how much of our culture is based on being shocking, getting away with being more and more shocking, and appealing to our basest prurient urges.
 

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I find it a little ironic that the NFL and CBS are apoligizing for the 'accident' caused by Jackson/Timberlake. After all, how many beer commercials were shown during th course of the game and how many kids were exposed to those? If they were so concerned about the halftime show and what kind of message it sent, they should surely be concerned about the influence they are having on alcohol advertisments and the affect it has on the youth. Now don't get me wrong about alcohol, I used to drink but don't anymore. Hell, I collect beer cans though. My objection comes from the NFL and CBS taking a stand on one issue and not the other. Why? It all comes down to $$$$$.

Other issues. Whey make a big deal out of the halftime show. Why not provide analysis, commentary, or highlights from past games. I have yet to see a halftime show because I don't need to see some stupid choreographed lip sync contest. If I want to see that, I'll find some reruns of American Bandstand.
 

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Amen EG. It does go beyond prudish conservatives trying to impose their views on everyone. Breasts are great. Breasts as a marketing tool are not great. Most people like sex but don't need Jenna Jameson to provocatively sell them oatmeal or laundry detergent. There are so many ways now to see nudity that there is less of a need to see it on network television. Why are we all so stupid that sex and violence sell so easily?

My daughters are 3 and 1, by the time they are teenagers God knows what fashions, lyrics, movies, and standards will be considered normal. Even dolls now dress like prostitutes.

Didn't Janet Jackson keep alluding to a big surprise in the halftime show?

My God, wait till Super Amputee Cat walks in the room. ;)
 

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god help us... next year the entertainment is going to be "Up With People" again.....
 

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You're not alone Guapo

5. The NFL knew that parents with children who would object to such a display were watching. They had a duty to allow us the option of going else where with our viewership. We were duped.
They did know and the only step that will be taken the next year is a parental advisory. If CBS (it could've been any network) and the NFL had a shred of honesty, they would have issued a parental advisory warning. It's that simple, tell people what you're going to put on the screen so we can be discriminating. I guess that's not a very marketable approach.

Hear, hear, EG. It wasn't just the breast baring incident, the entire show was ridiculous. Kid Rock, P. Diddy, Justin Timberlake? Sheesh. This is what passes for talent these days?
The opening show sucked as well, imho.

I'm a "cultural conservative" , the first place I found out about the Carr brothers was from Pat Buchanan. Sex, cussing, pissed off, reckless attitudes and a glamorization of being ghetto or urban are just a few of the reasons I have layed off the television and why my kids will not be watching a lot of it.
 

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I must say that I'm with El Guapo all the way on this one. I didn't see that show, but as soon as I found out it was produced by MTV, I knew that it was probably a deliberate act, just to see how far they could push the envelope. And the act is going to accomomplish everything that MTV and Madison Avenue hoped for in their wildest wet dreams.

I hate the Super Bowl Halftime show. Hate, hate, hate it. Hate the bloated, no-talent, in-your-face circus acts that perform in it. Hate disgusting succubuses like Janet and Britney. Hate the "Man Show" watching meatheads that get off on this crap. Hate the overpaid corporate scumbags on Madison Avenue. Hate the utter hypocrisy of CBS, Hate the idiots in the stands that dance around like morons and are privy too it. Hate all the high-maintenance cheerleaders. I hate the utterly sick, degrading, attention-span shrinking ritual act that it has become.

This has been going on for some time now and every year they push the envelope a little bit more. I predict live nudity on the show by 2010 if not sooner.
 
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Strikes me as very screwy that so many folks are upset about a millisecond of boob during a break from two hours of ritual violence and hawking alcohol. I say "more boobs". Maybe then I might be interested in tuning into a football game once and awhile. :-D
 
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Personally, the entire halftime show had no redeeming value. None of the artists presented, with the exception of the university marching bands, are known for having clean and wholesome songs in their repertoie (sp). Even though I only saw the breast baring for a brief moment, I don't think it's any different than those dancers stripping off their cheerleading costumes to reveal even skimpier clothes. It was overproduced, over the top, and I'm over all of it.
 

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tsc said:
god help us... next year the entertainment is going to be "Up With People" again.....
Up With People would be a welcome change, IMO.

Add me to the list of those who thought the half time show sucked. Fortunately, I wasn't paying attention and missed the who Janet/Justin stunt.
B-)
 

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This has been going on for some time now and every year they push the envelope a little bit more. I predict live nudity on the show by 2010 if not sooner.
Isn't Paris Hilton under contract for next year? ;)

I think kms did a good sum-up. I'm less worried about the nudity on t.v. than I am about Justin 'ripping her shirt' in a pseudo-violent act. He's a big role model to a lot of kids, and he showed those kids that it's okay to do that kind of crap to other people. I hope this isn't mimicked in school yards today.
 

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i agree it was rather disappointing... but those early half time shows used to be really bad. I would rather see Janets anatomy than some corny milktoast show
 
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nerudite said:
Isn't Paris Hilton under contract for next year? ;)

I think kms did a good sum-up. I'm less worried about the nudity on t.v. than I am about Justin 'ripping her shirt' in a pseudo-violent act. He's a big role model to a lot of kids, and he showed those kids that it's okay to do that kind of crap to other people. I hope this isn't mimicked in school yards today.
That reminds me of my school days when the boys would pull on the backs of the girls' shirts to see if they were wearing a bra, then snap the straps back. It was incredibly childish, immature, disrespectful and pseudo-violent, but I wouldn't be surprised if actions like that still happen.
 

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I'm just glad that Michael Jackson didn't expose himself when he was in the half time show;) he he he heeeee....
 

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Just some points:

1) Dan is right. The U.S. society is much more prudish than most other modern cultures. I'd love to see the country get away from that... Hardcore pron on network TV at 7:00? Of course not... But showing breasts on television is hardly the same as anal penetration.

2) El Guapo is right. MTV (And everyone else who knew... and they did.) has no right to subject EG's kids to what he considers offensive with no prior warning! While I couldn't care less if my kids see it, it's obvious he feels differently. We simply disagree on how we raise our kids, and we have that right.

3) I think as a society, we tend to equate nudity with sexual activity. Some nudity is meant to be titilating, some is not. Personally, had I seen it (other than in the pictures), I'd have laughed. They might have thought it was meant ot be sexy, but it wasn't... it was just for shock value. It worked.

4) By the way... For those proponents of nudity by anyone... anywhere... look around. Walk down the street and count how many of the people you pass you'd want to see without clothes. Or, better yet, come out here where we have nude beaches and hot springs and such. Most "nude places" aren't for people to see others sans clothes... it's so people can be nude and relax.
 

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Everyone knows Im left of center big time but I was less than thrilled with the whole program. I did not like most of the ads, they were in poor taste and not even funny. The half time show was...well I was very red faced being in a room of mostly strangers watching the whole farce.

The acts on stage were disgusting and i dont for a MOMENT think the stunt was not planned.

Im sorry this is one of the reasons I dont own or hardly ever watch TV, Id not let my dogs watch such trash.

NEXT!
 

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The Irish One said:
I'm a "cultural conservative" , the first place I found out about the Carr brothers was from Pat Buchanan. Sex, cussing, pissed off, reckless attitudes and a glamorization of being ghetto or urban are just a few of the reasons I have layed off the television and why my kids will not be watching a lot of it.
hmm, I don't want to do an internet search if its so bad, so I'll be the old-man here . . . Who are the Carr Brothers?
 

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You go, Guapo.
The only reason I watched the halftime show was because they were promising a "surprise guest." Justin Timberlake? Who cares?
I think that most people are offended about the whole thing because they (MTV, CBS, etc.) are treating the American public like idiots, claiming that it was an unstaged "surprise" and a "wardrobe malfunction." As if performer's clothes just fall apart on a regular basis (well, maybe Madonna/Brittney Spears). Sheesh!
Wasn't the Lingerie Bowl enough to entertain anyone who wanted to watch a flash of T&A?
Trust me, I ain't no prude...but this was just ridiculous. Maybe next year the football players' uniforms will magically fall to the ground and we can all get a great look at some hairy butts.
 

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Seabishop said:
...Who are the Carr Brothers?
They are the gentlemen that came to my mind when I tried to envision a society raised by MTV. They killed some people I briefly met once in a place I once lived. And they did it in a way that was...well...MTV/Tarranteno-esk. See the link I placed in a prior post.

Be warned that some in the white supremacy movement use this as a cause celeb because it was two urban black men that killed four out of five white kids from the country, after they raped, robbed and sodomized all five. This doesn't change the fact that it was the most heinous disregard of life and my values that had occurred in Kansas since Quantrell's raids.

Don’t take the easy way out. Ask yourself why you know Robert Byrd and Mathew Sheppard’s names and you don’t have a clue who Brad Heyka was. Media spin.
 

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This just in: Justin Timberlake has checked into the Betty Ford Center claiming to have an addiction problem with "Jesus Juice." Britney had no comment.


o:)
 

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Mastiff said:
Just some points:

1) Dan is right. The U.S. society is much more prudish than most other modern cultures. I'd love to see the country get away from that... Hardcore pron on network TV at 7:00? Of course not... But showing breasts on television is hardly the same as anal penetration.

2) El Guapo is right. MTV (And everyone else who knew... and they did.) has no right to subject EG's kids to what he considers offensive with no prior warning! While I couldn't care less if my kids see it, it's obvious he feels differently. We simply disagree on how we raise our kids, and we have that right.

3) I think as a society, we tend to equate nudity with sexual activity. Some nudity is meant to be titilating, some is not. Personally, had I seen it (other than in the pictures), I'd have laughed. They might have thought it was meant ot be sexy, but it wasn't... it was just for shock value. It worked.

4) By the way... For those proponents of nudity by anyone... anywhere... look around. Walk down the street and count how many of the people you pass you'd want to see without clothes. Or, better yet, come out here where we have nude beaches and hot springs and such. Most "nude places" aren't for people to see others sans clothes... it's so people can be nude and relax.
Point 1: I agree, and it was the extreme of thinking that a nude breast on TV will make it end in hardcore pr0n at 7 pm I was fighting with the nude art, though of course it got a bit confused... (sorry about that)

Point 2: I also agree, you have the right to raise your kids the way you want (though to prevent misinterpretations, I have to add the mandatory moral education the MUST recieve, 'cause I personally hate all the brats (big and small) that are in this world that don't respect nobody.)

Point 3: That's exactly where I was going with the nude art, though I misinterpretated some of the early EG posts and though he was overreacting to the nude part of the scene. (sorry) Please also take in mind that I did not see it, and did not know about the apparent "abuse" scene.(which is totally out of the question, at least not without warning.)

Point 4: I hope nobody though I was proposing nudity by anyone and anywhere.
 

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The halftime show was very disappointing to me because too many acts were squeezed in during a 15-minute period, most of which performed old-ass songs! I'd much rather see a fan, selected from the stands, attempt to kick a field goal or attempt to catch some long-yardage passes for a cash prize during the halftime show than to see that garbage!!!
 

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I could care less about this breast thing and I am sick of hearing about it. However, I can see how ElGuapo or anyone with a child watching this would be furious. I guess my problems with this is this whole attitude that we need to be shocked and that everything needs to be provocative. These pre-fab superstars like Timberlake, Spears and Jessica Simpson (and a washed up star like Jackson) have to rely on shocking the audience because they know that their music is uninspired garbage. When you get Aerosmith, U2, some other established acts they don’t need to shock anyone because they can stand on their own musical talent. These MTV hyped artists continually have to keep their names in the press via other means because deep down they know the music sucks. Look at Brittany Spears - can anyone name 5 songs that she sings? Probably not, but people could easily rattle off 5 recent news stories involving her. If they wanted to be "hip" without being controversial, they should have had the extremely talented Outkast as the Halftime entertainment. Could you imagine how nuts that crowd would have gone if they did "Hey Ya" to close out the show.
 

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I loved the half time show. It further validated my opinion that the greatest "spectical" in sports is less about the sport and more about playing to the average american's lacivious and lecherous cultural ideals. I made a comment to a buddy before the game that Janet Jackson's breasts had to be restrained by the two ropes that were on the front of her shirt in the promos. Eminent exposure foretold. She must have had a flubber implant.
 

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kms said:
I agree with El Guapo here. The thing is, if Janet Jackson and Timberlake can get away with this on national television, the same thing will happen on the streets, in the mall and at school. OK, so maybe it already is. Yes, sexual harassment happens in middle school, so today, some girl's skirt or blouse will be tugged by a boy who thinks it's a cool thing to do.

It's not about a half second, long distance shot. We (most) parents try to raise our kids to respect themselves and others, yet kids see adults (I use that loosely) acting without respect and modesty. Like it or not, our kids admire some of these performers, and will emulate their misbehavior. We have to stop glamorizing performers. To these kids, today's scandal = glamor, and it's misguided.
I feel that most kids are smart enough to separate an act in a show from what is approprate to do in life. Many parents allow their kids to watch many worse things than an obvious act in a number. Sexual harassment was rampant when I was in Jr High and High School too, and less was done about it then, in fact that was so long ago the term wasn't even coined then.

It's not what they watch on TV or find on the internet...it's parents who don't take the time to raise the kids, it's this society that forces both parent to work long hours to get by, it's the schools that are not funded enough to make sure these things don't happen, it's the law that prevents parents from givin a deserved ass whoppin once in a while..... it is not TV
 

kms

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Sure, Giff, most kids are smart enough to separate the performance from real life. There is a time in an adolescent's life where what is popular and cool, and what other kids think, weighs a little more than what parents think. My daughter is there, I was there, and you probably were, too. What children learn from their families should prevail, and probably does in the long run.

I couldn't agree more with your second paragraph, and have a lot say regarding that, but we're not talking about that right now.

It would be nice to see our values reinforced on tv by entertainers our children admire.
 

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I am reluctantly siding with Guap and kms on this one. While it is true you'll see more graphic images in Prime Time (three words -- Dennis Franz's arse!), there is an expectation that you wont be subjected to it during the family friendly superbowl half time show.
 

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I will keep this short...

It was such a stunt... I just saw it in slow motion, and there is no way that anything Malfunctioned. It all came out like it should. I do how ever think that Jackson and Timerblake should be fined by the FCC, and MTV should not put on another half time show. The party I was at, all joked about how bad the show sucked all the way though it. We where severely disappointed by how old everything was. It looked cheep, and like it was put together at the last possible minute.

I will continue to watch football, CBS, MTV, and all the other channels, but I can also say that I have never bought anything by Timberlake or Jackson, and I am still not going to buy anything. I think that this will not help either of them, and it was just a sad way for Timberlake to try to out shock Britney.
 

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nerudite said:
Isn't Paris Hilton under contract for next year? ;)
Paris, Britney, Christina, Jessica, Hillary Duff...it's all the same crap really: Human excrement that is prepackaged, (over)produced and marketed to army of shallow, impressionable teens and their equally brain-dead parents. Pop stars metamophasized into soda pop stars catering to a segment of the population that worships image and materialism over wisdom and restraint.

Even more sad is the fact that when the blessed day comes when Britney's boobs are all saggy and there's cellulite all over her you know what, they'll have her little sister Jamie waiting in the wings to eagely step in to be the next great marketing whore for the next generation of consumerist little kiddies and perverts. I can just see it now: Some 10 year old girl dancing in the living room to the tune of some new Jamie Spears song on MTV, while her father, watching the same show on the couch, is sporting a huge boner.

But not a big a chubbie as Michael Eisner's gonna get from marketing his next little Mickey Mouse club slut.
 

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I am ashamed of my generation's popular music. With all of the great talent out there in music, I don't even bother wasting brain power on knowing the trash that dominates whatever MTV is trying to sell. I have never actually listened to either of these "artist's" music and I never will. Not that this music was made for actual listening, but nonetheless. Sadly, pop music is a reflection of our culture, otherwise it wouldn't be popular I suppose, and that is somewhat depressing.

There was nothing shocking about this stunt to me, and obviously as an (almost) 18-year-old I don't mind that much. However, it's not the boob, but rather the load of crap that comes with it. The horrible music, the down-right stupid prancing around the stage, the image MTV is selling, the idiots cheering it on... it all makes for a completely unenjoyable experience. So what if Jackson and Timberlake wanna play whore and predator? I could care less. I just want art back. Not that the super-bowl half time show was meant to be artful, but what went on was a sickening reminder of what our culture considers to be music, and what our culture values.
 

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I initially wanted to avoid responding in this thread but temptation got the better of me. Concluding that the display of one breast at the half time show of the Stupor Bowl will lead to full nudity and fornication at subsequent events and that it relates to rape, sodomy and murder, and eventually the decline of western civilization seems, in my humble opinion, to be slippery slope fallacious logic. One does not necessarily relate and lead to another.
 

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Poor Tom Brady and Adam Vinatieri have been upstaged by a breast.


From CNN: MTV seems really sorry. ^o)

Despite its apology, MTV did not hesitate to promote the incident after the fact. A Web page headline said: "Janet Jackson Got Nasty at the MTV-Produced Super Bowl Halftime Show."

Continuing, the Web page said, "Jaws across the country hit the carpet at exactly the same time. You know what we're talking about ... Janet Jackson, Justin Timberlake and a kinky finale that rocked the Super Bowl to its core."
 

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I agree with EG...

Not that it comes as a surprise to anyone, I must align myself with EG.

The haftime show was ridiculous. You all have discussed the moral value of the "spectacle" for 5 pages of posts, but none of you have said a single word about Nellie grabbing and holding his d*ck throughout his "song". Moreover, as he was surrounded by by teenage dancers.

Why is this? What does holding one's p*nis have to do with the performance or artistic value?!? I play guitar in a band. I have played at Summerfest in Milwaukee (the largest outdoor musoc festival in the US). I have never felt the need to grab my unit.

Nellie's, Janet's, Justin's, and P-ot Diddy's actions were reprehensible. The only halftime show worth watching in the last 10 years was U2 a few years back. U2 is one of the most politically charged bands in the world, and they didn't use their status to promote a cause (which is typical of Bono) or overshadow the Super Bowl. They provided pure entertainment.

In the immortal words of Steve Czaban, "Give me a dog catching frisbees any day."

Mod Note: Made a minor edit to protect the mores of the Cyburbians. ;)
 
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Seabishop said:
Poor Tom Brady and Adam Vinatieri have been upstaged by a breast.
What about Jake Delhomme?? Best performance in a losing effort I think he should have been MVP regardless.
 
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prudence said:
The only halftime show worth watching in the last 10 years was U2 a few years back. U2 is one of the most politically charged bands in the world, and they didn't use their status to promote a cause (which is typical of Bono) or overshadow the Super Bowl. They provided pure entertainment.
Super Bowl 2002 in New Orleans - the first Super Bowl post 9-11 and I guess the producers felt that the show should be some type of memorial of sorts.
 

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I boycotted all the overhyped commercialized frenzy of the bowl game, because I knew I would not care for the lame entertainment or the lame commercials, or care to see crotch shots of tight pantied, nipple protruding young ladies in cheerleading outfits. But if I was watching it, I would've have been having to explain to my younguns what the salacious lyrics of JJ's and JT's song meant, why the dancers are making pseudo love on stage and what Viagra and Levitra do! Having said that the sight of JJ's breast exposed for a mere 1.5 seconds probably would've been the easiest thing to explain, an oopsie that's all. My 7 yo knows what naked people look like so I doubt she'd care that she saw a breast flash on TV.

Football is family entertainment? Yeah just like Hooters is a family restaurant. :-\
 
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