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The Great Lakes: Magnificent!

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burnham follower said:
The Beaches in Chicago are an Urban Planners Dream. They're a natural park providing relaxation, air conditioning and senic suroundings for millions, several within walking distance of shopping, business, hotels and transit. They are a public space, kept clean and safe with public funds.

Thank god for Burnham Green laws that keep buildings off the lakefront....stupid lakepoint tower
A. Montgomery Ward did more than Burnham or anyone else to keep the Chicago lakefront "clear and free" of any buildings.
 

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A. Montgomery Ward did more than Burnham or anyone else to keep the Chicago lakefront "clear and free" of any buildings.
Yes but the name of the Laws that keep it that was are Burnham Green Laws
 
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Yes but the name of the Laws that keep it that was are Burnham Green Laws
Really? I know Burnham, I know the 1909 plan, but I've never heard of anything called the Burnham Green Laws. Maybe I'm just misinformed; it wouldn't be the first time.
 

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Any research I've done has called them by that name. They basically say that all lakefront land shall remain open as public space for public use, which it almost entirely has. The exceptions are anything North of Hollywood Blvd., because most of that was already developed, but there are still plenty of public areas, and anything south of Jackson Park/71st, and again, plenty of public areas, but it was developed before the laws went into action. The city basically set the law to there can be nothing private East of Lake Shore Drive, which is why Lake Point Tower is such an eye sore (that big black building with no flat surfaces), they did a lot of lobbying to get around the Burnham ordinances. The laws are also comming into play as Navy Pier may be redone, because developers want to put Hotels and waterparks out there.....for profit, which is going far beyond keeping it public domain.
 
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Any research I've done has called them by that name. They basically say that all lakefront land shall remain open as public space for public use, which it almost entirely has. The exceptions are anything North of Hollywood Blvd., because most of that was already developed, but there are still plenty of public areas, and anything south of Jackson Park/71st, and again, plenty of public areas, but it was developed before the laws went into action. The city basically set the law to there can be nothing private East of Lake Shore Drive, which is why Lake Point Tower is such an eye sore (that big black building with no flat surfaces), they did a lot of lobbying to get around the Burnham ordinances. The laws are also comming into play as Navy Pier may be redone, because developers want to put Hotels and waterparks out there.....for profit, which is going far beyond keeping it public domain.
Yes, I'm familiar with all of this. I'm familiar with Chicago's Lakefront Protection Ordinance, which was passed in the 1980s. It was Lake Point Tower (and also McCormick Place before it) that pressed the City to pass the ordinance. But I think it was A. Montgomery Ward's lawsuits that had the first impact on keeping the lakefront "free and clear" of development, and the 1909 Burnham Plan maintained that policy.

I googled "burnham green laws" and got nothing. Also, I checked out my Encyclopedia of Chicago and saw no Burnham green laws entry, but did find a reference to A. Montgomery Ward's lawsuits.

Not trying to pick on you, I just never, ever heard that "Burnham Green Laws" term before, and I've been a planner in Chicago for 18 years.
 
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Kelly's Island.....Kelly's Island is an island in the western basin of Lake Erie. Over the years it has become the "party island" for middle-aged folks, as they abandon the much-younger and wilder crowds at Put-In-Bay (on South Bass Island, just a few miles away). The island is famous for "glacial grooves".....long, deep grooves that are sliced into the exposed rocky shoreline of the island.

Now, new theories are emerging as to what caused these grooves. The latest theories, based on evidence of similar grooves that all are aligned in the same direction, point toward a major "event", rather than slow-moving glaciers receeding.

Marblehead Peninsula.....The Marblehead Peninsula, located midway between Toledo and Cleveland, is on Lake Erie's southern shore. This interesting jut of land is home to wide, sandy beaches, rocky shorelines, clean water lapping against lots crammed with small and large cottages, the oldest lighthouse on the Great Lakes, a small religion-based community, and a quaint tourist town.

It is also home to deep open-pit limestone quarries, a number of taverns that this Bear has frequented, and a Wal-Mart. :-D

Marblehead is in the news, at least locally.....the ferry boats started running again from Marblehead to Kelly's Island. The ice on the lake is just about gone, a victim of a quite mild January. Marblehead residents don't have to use the airplace shuttle to get to the island.....at least until the next freeze shuts the ferry service back down.

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Bear, went to Kelly's last weekend on the fabled "Booze Cruize" ferry ride out of Sandusky. It was a hoot. I highly recommend this trip if you haven't gone. Drinking on the way, then touring the bars there and riding the ferry back.
Don't forget Marblehead's (actually Lakside's) state park. It is great with a huge shallow beach that is about 6' deep 250' from shore. Great for kids and has lots of trails/beach area to walk. Awesome.
 

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Fun Fact

Here's a fun Great Lakes' fact for you to ponder.....

Catawba Island, OH has more boat docks than San Diego, CA. :) :) :)

Of course, Catawba Island isn't really an island.....it is a peninsula, just east of Port Clinton, OH. The square miles of Catawba Island is probably less than San Diego's square miles.

We all know the big difference..... available dock hours. In San Diego, available 365 days. Catawba Island's would be available late April through late October.

Bear
 

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I visited Door County, Wisconsin (the peninsula that juts up just northeast of Greenbay) the first part of June this year. As a westerner it was very different from what I am used to. All the fresh water made a sweet smell that you don't get from smaller lakes. The small towns along the bay and the lake were quite lovely. Spent the night in Fish Creek and toured around and then walked along the lake shore at White Fish Dunes State Park. Very few people there and the lake was so flat you could water ski on it if you wanted. Glad we were there before the heavy vacation season really got going. I wish we had more time there to enjoy it more.
 

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I visited Door County, Wisconsin (the peninsula that juts up just northeast of Greenbay) the first part of June this year. As a westerner it was very different from what I am used to. All the fresh water made a sweet smell that you don't get from smaller lakes. The small towns along the bay and the lake were quite lovely. Spent the night in Fish Creek and toured around and then walked along the lake shore at White Fish Dunes State Park. Very few people there and the lake was so flat you could water ski on it if you wanted. Glad we were there before the heavy vacation season really got going. I wish we had more time there to enjoy it more.
Very pretty area. Look northeast from that area and you will see this Bear, walking the beach between Naubinway, MI and Big Bay De Noc. ;-)

Some famous Cyburbians hail from nearby.....Green Bay area and Fox River Valley area. Another famous Cyburbian travels to the Door Peninsula often.

Bear
 

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Coast Guard Plans Live-Fire Exercises

Headline and Article from the AP Wire:
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationw...44627.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

Highlights:
The Coast Guard is stirring up a storm with plans to establish 34 live-fire zones across the Great Lakes for training exercises that it says are vital to homeland security. Boaters and ferry operators fear getting caught in the line of the fire.

The exercises would be at least five miles offshore, in remote areas where they would pose little if any risk to civilian vessels, Lanier said.

But some of the proposed firing zones overlap established ferry routes, including Marks' Beaver Island run and those that transport cars across Lake Michigan.

A flurry of complaints prompted the Coast Guard to postpone a final decision and extend its public-comment period from August until Nov. 13.

"Our defensive weapons are only as good as the training given to those who use them," wrote Butch Greiffendorf of Grand Junction. "Remember, if evil comes, they will bring all they have.
Are you concerned or that is just way things are now.
Good closing quote.
 

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Not trying to pick on you, I just never, ever heard that "Burnham Green Laws" term before.
Dittos.

The lakefront is not protected by anything legal except possibly decisions from Ward's lawsuits (but then didn't he lose them? The Art Institute has been expanding with impunity).

I think the real reason the lakefront created as part of the 1909 plan is still mostly parkland is because its owned by the parks district and it would be a huge political battle if they tried to dump it.
 

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Ambassador Bridge

Opening an old (and great) thread.....

Something like 25% of all import-export traffic between the U.S.A. and Canada flows through the Port of Detroit, either via the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel or via the Ambassador Bridge. Most heavy truck traffic is on the bridge. The capacity of this bridge is close to being maxed-out. The new world economy will only increase that traffic.

The Ambassador Bridge (once the largest suspension bridge in the world, now the 51st largest) links Detroit with Windsor, Ontario, Canada. The bridge is owned by a company named Detroit International Bridge Company. That company is operated by a fiesty dude named Manuel Maroun. His company also owns much of the land at the anchorages to the bridge and many of the bridge-site businesses that cater to the import-export business. He is raking in the dough......living and succeeding at "The American Dream".

Maroun now wants to prevent any Michigan-Ontario consortium from building another crossing, probably via building another bridge next to the Ambassador Bridge. Articles I have browsed indicate that he deliberately ignores certain regulations relating to cross-border traffic, including regs that deal with terrorist issues.

This Bear does not have an opinion on this whole story.....waiting for more info.....but I encourage others who might know a little bit about this to post the info. My guess is that our own DetroitPlanner will share some info.

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Definitely a pandora's box.

The City of Windsor and the MTO (Ontario Transportation Ministry) want another crossing further south.

Further south on the Detroit side is frought with environmental and environmental justice issues.

Manny is very powerful. Besides owning the Bridge, he also owns CENTRA, a very large trucking company that does a ton of cross border traffic.

Manny got a permit to build a 'twin' bridge from the Coast Guard because his span will not impact frieghters. He wants to use that to ram the project through the rest of the environmental process without an impact report.

There are others vying for private bridge crossings as well. However both federal govts don't really trust the private companies, though they like their money.
 

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Definitely a pandora's box.

The City of Windsor and the MTO (Ontario Transportation Ministry) want another crossing further south.

Further south on the Detroit side is frought with environmental and environmental justice issues.

Manny is very powerful. Besides owning the Bridge, he also owns CENTRA, a very large trucking company that does a ton of cross border traffic.

Manny got a permit to build a 'twin' bridge from the Coast Guard because his span will not impact frieghters. He wants to use that to ram the project through the rest of the environmental process without an impact report.

There are others vying for private bridge crossings as well. However both federal govts don't really trust the private companies, though they like their money.
Perhaps this is more appropriate for the transport section of this forvm, but for many years now I have been wondering what the river crossing situation would/will be like in the Detroit/Windsor area should for some-odd reason (an EU-style customs union/'Strong Perimeter', a national merger or whatever) the checkpoints along the Canada-USA border would disappear. Can you say "fast-track construction of two or more six or eight-lane freeway-connected toll bridges"?

Ditto in the Buffalo/Niagara region.

:-c

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All I know is during 9-11 and the electrical outage of a couple of summers back, the freeways and surface streets were jammed with idling diesel emitting 18 wheel trucks.

I'd agree that this is not exactly Great Lakes Magnificent sort of stuff. ITS is used to help deliver manifests earlier though, that is sort of cool.
 

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HEADLINE:
Shipping groups sue Michigan over state's new ballast-water law
From the AP Wire: http://www.newsday.com/news/local/w...ar22,0,3618439.story?coll=ny-region-apnewyork

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A coalition of shipping companies and industry groups from the United States, Canada and Barbados representing ocean freighters that transport cargo on the Great Lakes has sued Michigan, claiming its new ballast-water law is unconstitutional.

The law, which took effect Jan. 1, is among the first of its type in the nation. It is aimed at stopping the further introduction of invasive species into the lakes through the discharge of ocean water used as ballast.

The law requires all oceangoing ships visiting Michigan ports to obtain a state permit by either promising not to discharge ballast water or proving they are equipped to sanitize ballast tanks with one of four state-approved technologies.

What's wrong with this picture? The same shippers that brought us zebra mussels are now suing Michigan to stop us from protecting ourselves from invasive species," Andy Buchsbaum, director of the National Wildlife Federation's Great Lakes office in Ann Arbor, told The Muskegon Chronicle.
I take the State of Michigan's side on this, if the US or Canada don't regulate this let the state.
 
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Maroun now wants to prevent any Michigan-Ontario consortium from building another crossing, probably via building another bridge next to the Ambassador Bridge. Articles I have browsed indicate that he deliberately ignores certain regulations relating to cross-border traffic, including regs that deal with terrorist issues.
Bear
Very interesting topic! Actually, the area I am originally from (south of Detroit) has been one of the proposed locations for another bridge to Canada. It has been fiercely contested by residents of the area however. Anyone who uses the Ambassador Bridge or drives by it on their commute can attest that another link to Canada is sorely needed. However, NIMBY rules apply ;-)
 
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Lake Ontario bluffs
Those pictures are wonderful ! The second picture is really sharp, and the tree colors with the water color...cool pics, makes me want to visit.:)

All of the pictures in this thread are great getting my travel jones going.... Great pics all.

Also, I have put on my list of things to do to go back and explore some of the old threads.
 

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Fat Cat

I am not from the Great Lakes region, but have had the opportunity to work for two cities, one on Lake Michigan and one on Lake Huron. Both had city owned marinas and beachs. I enjoyed my time in both cities. Mrs Katt loved to visit me on weekends when it was her turn to visit me (we had a communter marriage for a few years). When it was time for her to leave she always wanted to go to the beach before saying goodby. We many wonderful moments on both lakes. We have visited the other lakes, but there is nothing like living on one of the Great Lakes and walking to the shore (even during a storm), We would love to able to return to either areas, we made some wonderful friends and we still stay in touch.:)
You are absolutely right, it is a great area, that has much to offer.:)
 

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BUMP
From USA TODAY -
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For Great Lakes, a future with less industry
Push for cleaner waterfronts changing attitudes toward longtime employers
http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20071204/1a_cover03.art.htm

HIGHLIGHTS:
"The Great Lakes are viewed more today like the Grand Canyon or Yosemite — a natural resource rather than a waste receptacle for industry," says Cameron Davis, executive director of the Alliance for the Great Lakes, the oldest environmental group dedicated to the lakes' protection.

People who love the Great Lakes complain that they are the nation's neglected treasure, ignored in Congress and overshadowed by the East and West coasts.

A century ago, the economic winners were the places that got factories. Industry made boomtowns of Cleveland and Buffalo and Muskegon, Mich. The losers were places you've never heard of because the waterfront wasn't used.

Today, the tables have turned. Pristine coast is a gold mine.
I believe we here in Cyburbia have a deep appreciation for the Great Lakes.
 
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