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giff57

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Unfortunately both sides are trying to slip crap in there. The dems put some climate stuff in there too.
 

AG74683

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Unfortunately both sides are trying to slip crap in there. The dems put some climate stuff in there too.
Maybe, just maybe, the country will realize both sides are shitty and have zero compassion for anyone besides themselves in light of this crisis.

I doubt it will happen, but one can hope.
 

DVD

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I always go to that Simpsons episode where congress is voting to save the town of Springfield. They're all about to say yes when someone gets up and adds a rider to the bill. $40,000 for the pornographic arts. Then everyone votes no and moves on.
 

Planit

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Lt. Gov. IDIOT of Texas is saying he's willing to risk lives for the economy.

tRump's getting bored with this health stuff too. Has anyone seen Dr. Fauci since he 'corrected' tRump at a news conference a few days ago? Nope, he's AWOL now.
 

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Lt. Gov. IDIOT of Texas is saying he's willing to risk lives for the economy.

tRump's getting bored with this health stuff too. Has anyone seen Dr. Fauci since he 'corrected' tRump at a news conference a few days ago? Nope, he's AWOL now.
I wondered how long Trump was willing to let someone else lead. Fauci is done. He pushed Trump too many times. That usually leads to you being fired in this administration.
 

michaelskis

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I wondered how long Trump was willing to let someone else lead. Fauci is done. He pushed Trump too many times. That usually leads to you being fired in this administration.
Oh yea... that is a great idea... let's fire the smartest man in the room because he speaks the truth!


On a related note, I am really surprised that our governor has not issued a stay at home order yet. There was a petition over the past few days from all the hospital workers from across the state demanding that he do so.
 

Hawkeye66

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At what point does the 25th amendment get invoked?

The man has Narcissistic Personality Disorder. He is literally right out of the text book. I mean a real, deep mental illness. He is unfit to be in that job. Period. It should be obvious to pretty much anyone. He is going to make this much much worse by lifting restrictions. Some states will not comply. Its gonna get real real ugly.

I can't watch the news I get angry and my BP goes up and I don't need that.
 

Planit

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Word of the Day about the Lt. Gov. of Texas -



This must be the fruition of Sarah Palin's 'Death Panels' threat during ACA days.


I wonder if all the old white people that watch FOX exclusively just realized what they've been watching (& believing) for so long.
 

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Oh yea... that is a great idea... let's fire the smartest man in the room because he speaks the truth!
Yeah, this guy is literally one of the leading experts in the entire world on infectious diseases so by all means, let's not hear from him anymore.
 

AG74683

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On a related note, I am really surprised that our governor has not issued a stay at home order yet. There was a petition over the past few days from all the hospital workers from across the state demanding that he do so.
Gonna be coming soon I have to believe. My guess is still tomorrow.
 

dw914er

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Lt. Gov. IDIOT of Texas is saying he's willing to risk lives for the economy.
I thought all lives matter....

tRump's getting bored with this health stuff too. Has anyone seen Dr. Fauci since he 'corrected' tRump at a news conference a few days ago? Nope, he's AWOL now.
I'm not surprised. Trump doesn't actually want to lead anything, but just be seen as someone doing something. He made the call to escalate the response, and now that a few days have past, its time to do something else. I imagine Dr. Fauci is gone soon and that Trump will throw him under the bus (anyone care to bet the rationale is incompetence or a hint of dark state conspiracy?).

Unfortunately both sides are trying to slip crap in there. The dems put some climate stuff in there too.
Gotta leave it to Democratic leadership to screw up when it matters. The supposed list of elements in the Republican and Democratic stimulus packages is a waste; just write something that can help and let that be the sales pitch to the voters. Adding extraneous things only creates an opportunity for the efforts to backfire.
 

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Looks like a bill has been agreed upon. It will be interesting to see all the pork and other junk that ended up in it. I hope that we have some transparency and oversight over where all that $2T is going.

My understanding was that one of the sticking points was that the R's wanted to be able to give away $500M without disclosing who it was to for multiple months. It is things like this that should make any American scared. I miss my deficit and budget hawk friends on the right.
 

Planit

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It looks like there's a provision in the bill that excludes all tRump & family members businesses will not receive any funds. This includes cabinet and congress members (& families) as well.
 

michaelskis

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I am happy that they are able to get it done, although it would be helpful for it to have been a fully clean bill. I agree that money needs to go to both people and businesses. Just think of all the mom & pop businesses out there that operate on the margins.
 

MD Planner

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I swear to God Congress is just completely worthless. I haven't seen the final bill yet (for one thing because they're still working on it even though it has passed!) but the last thing I read had so much non COVID 19 stuff in it. THIS is why people hate our government. For example, I love the Arts as much as anyone and lobby for funding when I can but is this really the place to throw 35M at The Kennedy Center? Both sides are guilty of it and it just drives me up the damn wall. But you know what? We keep electing these idiots term after term. So I guess it's true we deserve the government we get.
 

AG74683

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Could we see a presidential run from Cuomo out of all this? Not this year obviously, but he's gaining a lot of traction right now.
 

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Could we see a presidential run from Cuomo out of all this? Not this year obviously, but he's gaining a lot of traction right now.
Maybe for 2024. But Guilani tried in 2008 and was soundly trounced even though being "America's Mayor" because of 9/11.
 

Hink

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Could we see a presidential run from Cuomo out of all this? Not this year obviously, but he's gaining a lot of traction right now.
I don't see it. His baggage is tremendous.

Here is to hoping for a 40 year old centrist who is loved by both the republicans and democrats. ;)
 

mendelman

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I don't see it. His baggage is tremendous.

Here is to hoping for a 40 year old centrist who is loved by both the republicans and democrats. ;)
But you're going to have to start in the State Leg first...right?
 
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Planit

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I remember when Obama was president there were a lot of bumper stickers (especially in this area) the said "Not My President". Now we see tRump flags, tRump stickers, a whole lot of tRump stuff.

I never remember seeing anything like that before...Bush flags, Clinton stickers, etc.
 

AG74683

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It looks like there's a provision in the bill that excludes all tRump & family members businesses will not receive any funds. This includes cabinet and congress members (& families) as well.
So what does everyone think about this? I mean I get it, I understand the desire to remove any complaint of conflicts of interest, but is Trump not a business owner like everyone else? How are his businesses any different than Boeing or American Air? How are other businesses from senators or representatives different?

No one can deny that Trump is a jerk and sometimes his business ventures are questionable, but he employs people suffering from the same issues as everyone else. I'm certainly not trying to defend our generally worthless legislature and president, but I think this provision is somewhat unfair.
 
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Hink

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So what does everyone think about this? I mean I get it, I understand the desire to remove any complaint of conflicts of interest, but is Trump not a business owner like everyone else? How are his businesses any different than Boeing or American Air? How are other businesses from senators or representatives different?

No one can deny that Trump is a jerk and sometimes his business ventures are questionable, but he employs people suffering from the same issues as everyone else. I'm certainly not trying to defend or generally worthless legislature and president, but I think this provision is somewhat unfair.
That is the problem when you are unable or unwilling to separate yourself from your business and you run for office. If he would have put it in a blind trust, or sold off the business before he went into office, it wouldn't be an issue, but he was unwilling to do that and now there needs to be a clear line that he isn't benefiting from being the President.

My problem is that we need stronger laws that require transparency from our Presidents and then I wouldn't have a problem with a business our President owns getting money, as we can see exactly what they make from the business, their taxes, the businesses books, etc.

If you want to run for office you should have exactly zero expectation of privacy when it comes to work history or current or concurrent jobs with the Presidency. Then I don't mind if you get a bailout because I can see what the money is going to.
 

DVD

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I think they did it because everyone knows that no one will enforce the laws we have regarding politicians and personal gain while in office and everyone knows tRump has violated a few of those laws. So we're putting it in clear writing that this company cannot benefit from the deal.
 

michaelskis

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So KY Rep Thomas Massie is going to try to delay the vote on the stimulus bill by requiring a full quorum instead of a general consent agreement. He showed some calculations and indicated that it is bad because of devaluation of the American Dollar.

What are your thoughts on this? Tump says he is grandstanding. The Democrats are furious.
 

mendelman

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To paraphrase Churchill: The devalued US dollar is bad, except for all the others.

Ours is the reserve currency for the World and it has more 'value' compared to many other currencies, but it's a universal fiction accepted by, effectively, everyone.

So, Massie needs to chill and let this happen. He probably is just grandstanding for political or PR points....I guess.
 

Veloise

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Now he's attacking "that woman from Michigan" and wailing about how she's "young" and "a new governor."
She has 14 years of experience in our lege (was a rep, then a senator).

I have a theory about what really matters to him:
one of these things.jpg

#thatwomaninmichigan
that woman.jpg
 
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Planit

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And this is how tRump finally "got" the serious nature of COVID19 - this are his words quoted:


“I’ve been watching that for the last week on television body bags all over in hallways,” Trump said. “I have been watching them bring in trailer trucks, freezer trucks — they are freezer trucks because they can’t handle the bodies, there are so many of them. This is essentially in my community in Queens — Queens, New York. I have seen things I’ve never seen before. I mean, I’ve seen them, but I’ve seen them on television in faraway lands.”

He added, “These are trucks that are as long as the Rose Garden and they are pulling up to take out bodies, and you look inside and you see the black body bags. You say, ‘What’s in there? It’s Elmhurst Hospital, must be supplies.’ It’s not supplies; it’s people.”

“A lot of people were saying, ‘Maybe we shouldn’t do anything, just ride it.’ They say, ‘Ride it like a cowboy. Just ride it. Ride that sucker right through,’ ” Trump said. “That’s where the 2.2 million people come in — would have died, maybe … and that’s not acceptable.”


Sounds like a 12 year old it the moment of realization.
 

DVD

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Soylent green is people!


I'm sure we're going to revise history that he knew this all along and someone else was saying get over it by Easter.
 

JNA

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In the mail today I got the survey & membership acceptance from the trump make america great again committee

What a line -
"I cannot accept membership at this time, but I am enclosing $20 to defray the costs of my card and the processing of this survey"
Yup processed it right through my cross cutting shredder.
 
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AG74683

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FWIW, the way Congress put together this stimulus check stuff is pretty interesting. It's a tax credit, rather than a tax advance like the 2008 checks were. Essentially your return shouldn't change, and if you end up owing on your taxes, the check you received will be a credit and should reduce what you owe. I'm not sure which "side" to credit with this idea.

It's pretty funny to see all the crazy Republican friends I have on Facebook getting pissed off about certain things. I have one nut job (former teacher of mine, go figure) who is pissed that 3M is apparently selling masks to other countries. Well...yeah? That's called capitalism my friend, something that you've praised forever.
 

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I'm curious if anyone has seen the anti-Trump ads that a dem super PAC recently spent a bundle on to air in certain states and on social media? I've only seen one of these ads and it was on Facebook. Granted, I'm not much of a tv watcher so maybe I've limited my exposure there. They look like powerful attack ads, but based on the amount they spent I would have assumed you'd be constantly surrounded by these ads and as I said I've only seen one.
 

MD Planner

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I still think Trump wins the election (as of right now) but I'm doubting he's going to be able to count on Michigan's electoral votes this time.
 

Hink

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I still think Trump wins the election (as of right now) but I'm doubting he's going to be able to count on Michigan's electoral votes this time.
He can't win without Michigan and Wisconsin. He isn't going to look strong in Florida either, as they are going to be hurting for a long time because of the lack of leadership of their governor. He won't lose Georgia, but good god is their governor terrible.

I am rarely "proud" of a politician, but Ohio's governor was pretty right on with his early difficult choices. Places like Georgia and Louisiana and Florida, who had governors who either didn't believe this was a thing, or thought it wasn't so bad or was like the flu, are now going to see so much more pain in their states because they refused to actually listen to experts.
 

Bubba

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He can't win without Michigan and Wisconsin. He isn't going to look strong in Florida either, as they are going to be hurting for a long time because of the lack of leadership of their governor. He won't lose Georgia, but good god is their governor terrible.

I am rarely "proud" of a politician, but Ohio's governor was pretty right on with his early difficult choices. Places like Georgia and Louisiana and Florida, who had governors who either didn't believe this was a thing, or thought it wasn't so bad or was like the flu, are now going to see so much more pain in their states because they refused to actually listen to experts.
Kemp is actually really intelligent, and has mostly done a good job of administering from the middle after running a hard right campaign. The clarification that came out afterwards is that he was referencing the most recent CDC modeling; if he's terrible at anything, it's communicating things that are outside his area of expertise.
 

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“The notion of the federal stockpile was it’s supposed to be our stockpile,” Kushner told reporters on Thursday. “It’s not supposed to be states’ stockpiles that they then use.”

Are you F--king serious? CLOWN! Please just go back to being an evil landlord

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Tucker Carlson - the trusted tRump advisor - questions why were are listening to experts


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Alabama governor still doesn't think this is a big deal saying they're not Louisiana or New York


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On a side note: Corona stopped their beer production
 

JNA

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Brewing beer is not an essential activity ?

Twitter posts about Jerk K stockpile statement - Just F'ing Wild -
 
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