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Planit

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So tRump killed negotiations for a new stimulus bill...

No wait check that, he changed his mind and now demands the deal get done.

That happened all within a few hours. Wasn't 'Flip-Flop' an attack ad showing weakness a few elections ago? Asking for a friend.
 

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As a family who is on a very tight budget at the moment (CCG had to drop to part-time schoolwork to take care of PeachFuzz, so no student loans to help with expenses right now), I'm incredibly angry and discouraged. I try hard not to count on any resources that are not guaranteed, and we are not in a position where we actually need the stimulus money to meet our basic needs, but it would provide some much needed breathing room that we don't have much of otherwise, and there are so many people that genuinely need it for essential expenses right now.

I also read that some of the erratic behavior could be attributed to some of the drugs he was given to treat COVID. Which just means that he shouldn't be issuing any directives at the moment, but we all know that won't stop him.
 

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Every four years I see two houses across the street from each other. One will have a "Kang 20xx" sign and the other has a "Kodos 20xx" sign. I'll have to run past there and see if they did it again this year.

Speaking of political signs, I saw one in the neighboring village on yesterday's run that said "Allan Diggs 2020". I figured it must be some local village council race because I never heard of that candidate... then I noticed the Buffalo Bills flag flying from the porch. :roflmao:
 

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My absentee ballot has been cast. I voted straight ticket out of spite. I'm still bitter about one of the parties in the state trying to take away the straight ticket option a few cycles ago.
 

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My absentee ballot has been cast. I voted straight ticket out of spite. I'm still bitter about one of the parties in the state trying to take away the straight ticket option a few cycles ago.
You know, there is an idea with that... last time I checked, I was voting for about 52% republicans and 48% democrats. (If I voted for Biden that is). But since voting for a party is such a star spangled awesome idea, I will just vote straight Republican since they are getting the majority of my votes anyways. #Partyovertheeople #WhatwouldGWashingtonsay
So tRump killed negotiations for a new stimulus bill...

No wait check that, he changed his mind and now demands the deal get done.

That happened all within a few hours. Wasn't 'Flip-Flop' an attack ad showing weakness a few elections ago? Asking for a friend.
I blame the COVID virus that is still in his system... oh wait. That's just him.


Is anyone watching the VEEP Debates tonight. I am not sure why, but I believe that this will be far more civilized than Biden/Trump Round 1.
 

Salmissra

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My state took away straight-party voting for this cycle, and of course, it's in the courts for legality.

I never voted straight party. To me that's lazy. Do your homework and vote for the person that is the best for that position, not just the person with the "correct" letter after their name.

When I was an election judge, the people with the worst ballot malfunctions were straight-party Republican voters. They didn't understand why they couldn't vote straight party except for that one race where their cousin's daughter-in-law's-brother was running from the "other" party. And if you vote straight party, the system doesn't register any votes for non-partisan items, such as state constitution amendments, city charter changes, etc. They would want to pitch a fit but I didn't put up with that - either get a new ballot and do it right, or not vote for those items.
 

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My state took away straight-party voting for this cycle, and of course, it's in the courts for legality.

I never voted straight party. To me that's lazy. Do your homework and vote for the person that is the best for that position, not just the person with the "correct" letter after their name.

I don't see how straight party is lazy.

Can't somebody do their homework and still vote straight party?

I did my homework, even on the university and local trustee elections and over the last few cycles, there has rarely been a reason for me to vote for a candidate from other than my preferred party. On the rare occasion where I did have a reason to vote for somebody from another party (I can think of two times in particular), I had no qualms about not voting straight party. However, this year, as with the past couple elections, I had no reason to vote for another party's candidate so I use the option to vote straight party to save me a bit of time and energy. I don't see the laziness in that.

The Rs tried to remove straight party voting for the stated reason than it encouraged low information voting. :ttth: (The fact that it would just slow things down and make lines longer in heavily Democratic areas was just an added bonus)

We have enough problems with long waits to vote and overall voter turnout in this country that we should be doing everything we can to simplify and speed up the process and encourage voting by all, even low information voters. Maybe if those low information voters take part in the process more often and it's as painless as possible for them, they will start to actively take in more information about their ballots.
 

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When I was an election judge, the people with the worst ballot malfunctions were straight-party Republican voters. They didn't understand why they couldn't vote straight party except for that one race where their cousin's daughter-in-law's-brother was running from the "other" party. And if you vote straight party, the system doesn't register any votes for non-partisan items, such as state constitution amendments, city charter changes, etc. They would want to pitch a fit but I didn't put up with that - either get a new ballot and do it right, or not vote for those items.

Are you saying in Texas that if you vote straight party you cannot also vote for the non-partisan portions of the ballot? Ouch!

Here we have a partisan section (where we can vote straight party or elect not to) and a non-partisan section where you vote for judges, school/library boards, and proposals. If you vote straight party you can still vote for whoever and whatever in the non-partisan section.
 

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NJ has "line" voting in primary elections which IMHO is nefarious. You effectively vote for a slate of candidates generally from the same party, but this holds true in non-partisan elections like school boards. Up until this year "Line A or 1" was ALWAYS for the slate currently in power, now the slates have to draw straws to find out their "line" assignment. Some academic study was undertaken and found that by the incumbent slate being designated for Line A or 1 pretty much guaranteed a significant win.

One of my former professors explains it well here https://www.njpp.org/reports/toeing...ballots-enable-party-insiders-to-pick-winners
 

Planit

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I've said it before, I don't think there should be straight party ticket voting. Also, I don't care if there's an R or D next to your name. Vote for who you prefer - but lately its been vary close to straight party. Locally there are some Rs that should be in and this county leans that way.
 

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I hate to shift gears from sheriffs and dog catchers, BUT...

Biden has a far better environmental goal than Trump, although I don't think it really goes far enough. The foundation of his plan is around energy production. Do you think that if elected, he will be able to get the supports needed to make the US energy independent and our electrical system pollution free by 2035?

One thing that I really wish that he would rethink his climate smart agriculture plan by shifting the focus away from subsiding corn, soy, and wheat and more focus on produce and timber. Additionally working with other countries to establish stronger global environmental regulation, focus on reforestation, and a better waste management system that does not result in dumping of plastics and other trash.

Do you think that he has the support to make his goals reality or are they empty campaign promises?
 

Planit

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Do you think that he has the support to make his goals reality or are they empty campaign promises?

Yes because business and industries are already moving in that direction in many cases. New product manufacturing should be a big deal in an economic recovery in these (still) emerging markets.

One example is to look at the auto industry. How many companies are moving to alternate fuel sources?...all of them.

Solar panels have begun to be made domestically & with better technology & efficiency, making the price come down.

You can't flip a switch (pun intended), but a gradual direct transition works.
 

Salmissra

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Are you saying in Texas that if you vote straight party you cannot also vote for the non-partisan portions of the ballot? Ouch!

Here we have a partisan section (where we can vote straight party or elect not to) and a non-partisan section where you vote for judges, school/library boards, and proposals. If you vote straight party you can still vote for whoever and whatever in the non-partisan section.

No, what I'm saying is if you vote straight party, then hit "review ballot", the system would say the ballot was incomplete because you have not voted for non-partisan items. Drove straight-party voters on both sides crazy!

OMG! My ballot is incomplete! The system is rigged! Why is the system not taking my ballot! makes scene in middle of room

The system is reviewing your ballot for completeness, and since non-partisan items aren't listed by party, you have not voted on those items. You must go in and individually mark those items. You may skip them if you want - you are not required to vote on every item on the ballot.

You would think we were asking them to do something onerous.
 

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Yes because business and industries are already moving in that direction in many cases. New product manufacturing should be a big deal in an economic recovery in these (still) emerging markets.

One example is to look at the auto industry. How many companies are moving to alternate fuel sources?...all of them.

Solar panels have begun to be made domestically & with better technology & efficiency, making the price come down.

You can't flip a switch (pun intended), but a gradual direct transition works.

And that transition was well on its way in a variety of sectors prior to Trump taking office. They had already spent millions if not billions on R&D and retooling their manufacturing/production. Trump thought he was doing industry a solid with the roll backs and it was a day late and a lot of dollars short.

The whole agriculture system is broken and needs to be significantly be retooled...everything from environment, subsidies, surplus, import/export, tariffs, etc.
 

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The whole agriculture system is broken and needs to be significantly be retooled...everything from environment, subsidies, surplus, import/export, tariffs, etc.
As I am sure I have stated before, my FIL is a farmer. Like a real American farmer of land. Lots of land. Most is soy and corn, but he has some wheat depending on the year and the need. Understanding the numbers that he deals in (he farms about 3,000 acres), the prices, the income, the work, it just doesn't make sense. For years he also had pigs. He had 1,000 head of pig that he turned over every couple months to go along with the land farming side.

My point is that I agree with you that the ag system is broken. He wouldn't agree with you on many political topics, but I think most farmers understand that the system is broken. This year as prices have tanked due to China not getting much soy, the government has stepped in to "give" some money. That isn't the free market, and most farmers are not happy with government subsidies. For years my FIL made money farming without getting money not to farm (which is something A LOT of farmers do). He, like so many other farmers, isn't able to do that any longer.

I think the government should provide money to farmers to grow produce. Each state should do the same. Each county in each state should have a local producer where you can get goods. That should be government subsidized, not 1,000 acres of soy that can't be sold anyway.

Our farming system subsidy system needs to be retooled to be more local. Subsidize the small local farmer who is growing tomatoes, lettuce, and pigs so we can have a local BLT. Stop incentivizing farmers to grow corn and soy alone. I have lot of thoughts on this topic...
 

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Also, Pete is absolutely killing it.

“Well, there’s a classic parlor game of trying to find a little bit of daylight between running mates,” Buttigieg replied. “If people want to play that game, we could look into why an evangelical Christian like Mike Pence wants to be on a ticket with a president caught with a porn star.”

 

gtpeach

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Also, Pete is absolutely killing it.

“Well, there’s a classic parlor game of trying to find a little bit of daylight between running mates,” Buttigieg replied. “If people want to play that game, we could look into why an evangelical Christian like Mike Pence wants to be on a ticket with a president caught with a porn star.”


I could watch that clip over and over and over again.
 

Planit

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How utterly ironic that the proverbial fly on the wall landed on Pence's head as he was discussing a certain topic?
There's already discussion of cancelling the next debate.

NO!

Zoom it and then you can mute the mic...


2nd Prez debate is going to virtual because of tRump's COVID19 infection & now it looks like it's gonna happen...except for this?

“I’m not going to waste my time on virtual debate. That’s not what debating is all about,” Trump said in an interview on Fox Business. “You sit behind a computer and do a debate. It’s ridiculous, and then they cut you off whenever they want.”

(emphasis is mine)
 

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Also, I am interested to see how Evangelicals Christians react to this news:


How's he doing on the Presidential ticket for the Dems?

Oh, wait...

;)
I think he likely will be President some day. If that day comes, we will all be better for it. He seems to actually be religious, care about the country, and speak truth to power. He clearly isn't leftist enough today, but someday maybe he will get that chance. :up:
 

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Also, I am interested to see how Evangelicals Christians react to this news:


As a Pro-life Christian, I find it horrific, but then again I have never supported Trump.
 

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And Coroner. Don't forget about the basement dweller(s) doctors
There was an argument nearby between the Probate Judge (County Manager) and the elected coroner (no experience required). The coroner put in a huge uniform request for tactical clothing and wanted his employees to have county issued firearms. The request was rejected.

My favorite position that I really have no clue what they do is constable.
 

gtpeach

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How utterly ironic that the proverbial fly on the wall landed on Pence's head as he was discussing a certain topic?



2nd Prez debate is going to virtual because of tRump's COVID19 infection & now it looks like it's gonna happen...except for this?

“I’m not going to waste my time on virtual debate. That’s not what debating is all about,” Trump said in an interview on Fox Business. “You sit behind a computer and do a debate. It’s ridiculous, and then they cut you off whenever they want.”

(emphasis is mine)

No idea how this is even a discussion point right now. Anyone who was hoping that maybe his contraction of the virus would sober him up to the severity of the pandemic was clearly wrong.
 

Planit

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^^^Yes!

What was that rambling lecture he gave yesterday about his infection being a 'blessing from God' and other incoherent thoughts?
 

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So, a bunch of Trump supporters (ie. right wing militia) got their plans to kidnap and execute Governor Whitmer foiled by the FBI. What times we live in.

I admit I was a little surprised to see the GOP state leadership make a statement condemning this. Had it been the Orange Cheetoh he would probably have egged them on with some kind of Proud Boy shout out/dog whistles.
 

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So, a bunch of Trump supporters (ie. right wing militia) got their plans to kidnap and execute Governor Whitmer foiled by the FBI. What times we live in.

I admit I was a little surprised to see the GOP state leadership make a statement condemning this. Had it been the Orange Cheetoh he would probably have egged them on with some kind of Proud Boy shout out/dog whistles.

Northern Michigan is infested with right wing militia groups and it was this way long before Trump came along. He has merely emboldened them...to come out from the sewers in which they dwell. There are some pretty terrifying places, once you get outside the tourist areas. No surprise really that they would attempt to pull off something like this. These lowlifes may have been caught in time but for every one arrested there are a hundred more lurking in the woods ready to strike as soon as Orange Cheetoh gives the green light.
 

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on a related note - what is your company/municipality/county policy on political postings/rants, support for local/state/federal races

we have been all told to not do any of it so I am more careful what I heart on Twitter/Facebook as people can see on their feed things you liked (which I wish was not the case)
 

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On our personal platforms, we can say or support whatever we want to. But I'm pretty careful about it. I don't want it to impact my working relationship with our member localities. Especially since we're a regional body that interacts with both urban and rural localities, the political leanings span the entire spectrum.

I'll occasionally like a friend's comment or share thoughts on an issue that is important to me, but I try not to post about politics directly.

ETA: While I don't know that it's a formal policy, I will say that I don't think it would do us any favors if our staff was actively speaking in opposition to our local officials. And I think it probably would be a violation if we used information or experiences from our direct work with the local officials to oppose any of them running for office. We have a local politician that is very challenging to work with and I also have a friend that very strongly supports this politician. I haven't even had a private conversation with them to express my concerns. I think it's just too risky and the potential negative impacts to our working relationship if my views ever got out don't outweigh the benefits of that one person potentially reconsidering their vote.
 
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I won't even put political signs in my yard due to the mere perception of a conflict ("you pulled all of candidate X's signs from the right of way because you support candidate Z.")
 

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This is the only place I post this type of content along with a text or so to a few friends. No social media.

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On the note about the Michigan Militia arrests...two men photographed at that armed May protest in the Michigan capital are among the arrested plot suspects.


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People have booby-trapped their signs too. Be careful out there.
 

Veloise

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On the note about the Michigan Militia arrests...two men photographed at that armed May protest in the Michigan capital are among the arrested plot suspects.


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More than a couple. This 'shop was making the rounds after that first haircut-boating-gardening protest.

!! virus rally stormtroopers dicks 2.jpg

Bright side #1: all my FB friends can spell affidavit

#2: this week's SNL will be lit

 

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Like many here I'm "blessed" to live in an area where we get political ads from candidates in two states so double the fun! :r: Anyway, Georgia U.S. Senator Kelly Loeffler has an ad out that touts her as being "more conservative than Attila the Hun". Umm I'm not exactly sure that is the best comparison you could be making.
 

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I won't even put political signs in my yard due to the mere perception of a conflict ("you pulled all of candidate X's signs from the right of way because you support candidate Z.")

I kept my Clinton sign up for days after the election and would have kept it indefinitely. However, one day I found someone had destroyed it. They didn't steal it, the wire supports where still there. The just saw it and ripped it up. If I would have seen them in the act, I would have beaten them with a shovel. But they did it at night, being the cowardly trash that they are. I was thinking about putting a F*CK Trump sign in my yard, but these days, instead of someone ripping up the sign, they would probably fire bomb my house.
 

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I don't put political signs up in my yard because I don't want them and more so, I live at the end of a cul-de-sac. If my neighbors wanted to know who I was voting for, they would ask.
 

Planit

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I've allowed one political sign in my yard - it's a old golfing buddy in a local small town election.

A buddy of mine has had his anti-tRump signs stolen, defaced and recently replaced with tRump signs, along with some derogatory slurs.

We also get double pleasure of campaign ads for both NC & SC.
 

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Actually, the only political sign I've ever put in my yard was for the last library district millage increase.

I felt pretty safe putting that one in my yard, because public libraries are in the top five greatest human inventions.

Also, if not for a certain library science masters program at a prominent west MI university, I would not exist right now.

In other news, today...I voted!

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During the 2018 election cycle, our state rep was term limited and running for a state senate seat. He came and knocked on our door during the primary and I just basically shooed him away. He won the primary and also came back to our door during the general election. I happened to be outside when he walked up and he mentioned my Marine Corps flag and started going on about how I can count on his support for gun rights and the 2nd Amendment and blah blah blah. I immediately stepped off my porch at him and told him in a not so friendly manner that he shouldn't assume to know how I feel about those issues and that he better pound sand.

He ended up losing the election the next week... and then thanks to the good ole boys network, our former County Executive promptly hired him and appointed him the head of our department and my direct boss. 🤦‍♂️ He never mentioned our interaction on my porch (I'm sure as a politician on either side he had to develop a thick skin, and has probably experienced worse while going door to door) and he actually turned out to be a pretty good boss. When the former County Executive died while in office and a new Exec, from the opposite party, was appointed, all of the previous administration's deputy executives and directors either quit or were fired... except for this guy. He was eventually demoted to a position of less authority but he's still there today. So given then party and the political differences, I think that speaks highly to his (and the new Executive's) character.

Actually, the only political sign I've ever put in my yard was for the last library district millage increase.

I felt pretty safe putting that one in my yard, because public libraries are in the top five greatest human inventions.

Also, if not for a certain library science masters program at a prominent west MI university, I would not exist right now.

Working for the administration of an elected official, I don't put signs for candidates up in my yard but the two signs I have put up over the years were for millages for the art museum. But we have no prohibitions on that. I did actually consider putting up a Biden sign this year but ultimately didn't want to buy one from a private individual or send money to the party to get one.
 

Planit

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I will vote next week, when early voting locations open in my state.

I will vote in person, with my mask.

I'll be doing the same thing Sal.


I kinda like walking by the 'gauntlet' of volunteer supporters at the poll. I'm able to skirt around the side of the library building to get to the entrance. They aren't able to get close & I just wave.
 

gtpeach

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Took a late lunch and voted today. Got my sticker so it's official and everything. I feel like I can check out a little bit now. I'm still going to get frustrated at the very earnest but misguided pleas from various acquaintances on social media, but at least I have a reason to disengage if anyone brings it up directly.
 

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I'll be doing the same thing Sal.


I kinda like walking by the 'gauntlet' of volunteer supporters at the poll. I'm able to skirt around the side of the library building to get to the entrance. They aren't able to get close & I just wave.

I parking in one of the spaces within the off limit area so I can enter the polling place and not get accosted by the poll vultures. I like being seen by the supporters, especially during municipal election because it's important for me to know that they know that I vote. I also enjoy being able to point at the sign that delinates the "no electioneering" area when I am approached or spoken to.
 
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