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The SUV backlash starts now!

gkmo62u

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Runner:

We have a Mini Dealership (open abput 7 months or so) in one of our commercial devlopments. They are great looking. Price point competes with VWBug--still getting close to $20,000 I think.
 

Journeymouse

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It's just gotta be done:
<Michael Caine voice>You're only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!</voice>
 

Tranplanner

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I'm hoping my next car will be a mini, they are totally awesome. A friend of a friend got one (the Cooper version), and it's a beaut.
 

gkmo62u

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They are nice. They are also very small. Not the best family truckster, if you know what I mean.
 

PlannerGirl

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Im sorry those are just FUGLY as hell-they are on the roads here in DC and they are so small they get lost in the traffic and yuo dont see em till you almost merge into them.

im not into the SUV thing-too BIG for DC but thats just too small to be practical for my life-dogs, groceries, nights out with friends (im the D.D.)

nope i love my Saturn

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peter lowitt

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Smart Cars

These cars are fantastic. Smart Cars are a Italian version of the mini. Their parts are interchangeable. Some are electric. And in an area where parking spaces are at a premium, you can park two in one space.
 

Jeff

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A woman I work with just bough a pure American Horsepower Hummer H2. The thing is awesome and gets like 10 miles per gallon :)
 

donk

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Tranplanner,

On my short list for a new / "fun car" are the mini cooper and the MB C230 - Kompressor.

The mini is about $30 CDN plus options (makes it 38 000 pretty quick)

The C230 starts at 35 and does not need many of the options offered. (GPS, auto transmission, cell phone etc). Only options i would probably get would be the colour upgrade and sunroof.(pushes it to about 38 -40)

When I was in TO, I splurged and rented the C230, great car for the long drive I had and it drove really nicely.(firm steering, awesome seats, relatively good stock stereo, tonnes of HP and turbo when needed) Hell, at one point college girls where flirting with me, Iknew it was the car, but it sure makes you feel good.

Wanted to test drive a mini, but ran out of time. Guess I'll have to make a trip to halifax.
 

Chet

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I like the Mini. A friend of mine just received his that he ordered months ago. It has a back seat, but any front seat passenger over 5' 8" will have their seat back so far that it's really just there for insurance purposes.

Not practical, but maybe as a second car when they start showing up on the used lots....
 

Habanero

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They were cute, but I don't fit.. it's not comfortable, pushing 6' is often a hazard when buying cars.. especially if you have to make sure your other half, who stands at the midget size of 6' 7'', will fit. I can hear the clown music now if we got out of one of those cars.. people would think the circus came to town.
 

Runner

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green22 said:
I think I'll still keep my Dahon US $190
Yes, I'll give up the bikes when they pry them from my cold dead fingers... But not living in NYC, nor having access to transit we still find an auto necesary. I'll either take a Mini for our next car (one for the two of us) or if we absolutely have to upsize to a "big" car (re. 4 door) we'll go for the Honda Civic Hybrid.

This contrasts to my little sister (stereotypical Texas soccer mom) who "needs" a Ford Expedition for their two child family. I'm sure she would have up-scaled to the Excursion if she could have fit it in the garage, but the brother in laws Ford F350 4x4 4 door p/u takes up too much room.

On the other hand little brother lives in Brooklyn and is carless but bike powered...

Sorry, rant... Anyway, the Mini is still way kewl...
 

Mabe

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How about a Mercedes Smart?


The whole idea of a small city car isnt that new, I had my VW GTI before it was cool to be fuel efficent and compact :D
 

jmf

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Saw a few SmartCars in France a couple of years ago...my problem with them is that it is a two person car and that's it. Good luck even putting a briefcase in the back! So we have been trying to teach people to car pool and now here is a car, yes, more fuel efficient, but with no room. Wouldn't be great for a vacation either if you wanted to take any luggage!
 

Tranplanner

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jmf said:
Wouldn't be great for a vacation either if you wanted to take any luggage!
I think the SmartCar was marketed for urban use, not as a family car. I've heard that the Ford Think! Electric car (looks like a Smartcar) has been dropped.

I'm seeing more and more Minis around - they really do seem to be ideal for Toronto driving conditions. I want one, but I don't think I'd be able to fit my hockey equipment into one.
 
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Runner said:

I'll either take a Mini for our next car (one for the two of us) or if we absolutely have to upsize to a "big" car (re. 4 door) we'll go for the Honda Civic Hybrid.
I convinced Rob that when our Cavalier goes, we should get the Civic hybrid to replace her. We absolutely love our Accord - that will be our travelling vehicle and the Civic will be our commuting vehicle. I almost wish I could afford another accident to hasten the coming of the Civic. hee.
 

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My Mini Experience

When I lived in England we used to cart around a family of 4, a weeks worth of groceries, and a weeks worth of laundry for 30 miles in a mini. It was like a college dorm roadtrip.
 

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hybrid SUV market---is it there?

as a planner living overseas and being out of the loop....is there any research going into making hybrids SUV's?? i heard a rant on the BBC this morning about america's addiction to them and began thinking...why not just make them hybrid? but still, as narcissistic and image-oriented as your average american is, why are the existing hybrids just plain ugly? the honda civic is the only one, in my opinion, that looks decent. why not at least come out with a sporty-looking hybrid (SUV or not). i think most americans would not care. make it good-looking or sporty and people will eat them up. does anyone remember the fieros?
 

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Re: hybrid SUV market---is it there?

Grassroots said:
but still, as narcissistic and image-oriented as your average american is, why are the existing hybrids just plain ugly?
I just read an article about that - apparently through focus groups, the automakers discovered that people want their SUVs and Hybrid SUVs to be "tools". Thus the overstyling a-la XTerra's med kit in the rear door, and the like...
 

Tranplanner

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I heard that at one point Ford was going to offer a hybrid version of the Escape in the next couple of years.
 

Runner

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Axles of Evil

Iraqi SUV Inspectors Begin U.S. Investigation
Much Awaited Report on "Weapons of Mass Consumption" Could Avert War Justin Mulcahy, special to Momentum Magazine

Dec. 16, 2002

WASHINGTON United Nations Peace Keeping troops escorted the Iraqi SUV Inspection Team onto American soil yesterday after lengthy delays at the U.S. border. In spite of U.N. approval, the inspectors, travelling under Iraqi passports, were denied entry into the United States (and held without cause for 21 days) by American Border Officials in Toronto. American authorities cited new anti-terror powers and a communication breakdown as the cause of delay.

The Inspection Team will be conducting random gas mileage testing on major highways around the Nation's capital to determine the extent and proliferation of weapons of mass consumption. George W. Bush has been uncooperative with the Iraqi-lead-initiative and has only allowed the Iraqi inspectors to conduct testing on vehicles in HOV (high-occupancy vehicle) lanes. It's believed that very few SUV's will be caught in this limited access search.

In an internationally controversial move, Bush also denied the Inspection Team broad powers allowing them to inspect "weapons of mass consumption programs related to cultural and national identity". These programs include: the commute, air shows and monster truck rallies. In a rare speech in Baghdad, Saddam Hussein responded by referring to SUV's and monster trucks as "axles of evil".

Hussein, buoyed by recent election results, also introduced a new UN resolution granting the United States unfettered access to the bulk of its oil reserves provided Americans "use them wisely". Unimpressed with the "ambiguous" language contained in the new UN resolution, prominent U.S. energy policy experts rejected the "unreasonable wise-use" stipulation and suggested that this clause alone would rule out any American access.

This war of words took a sharp turn in Washington on Sunday when Donald Rumsfeld deflected Iraqi concerns about Weapon's of Mass Consumption by suggesting that larger vehicles have all but eliminated "terror" and other "security issues" associated with winter travel. A recent random poll (conducted at a General Motors plant in Detroit) indicates that the American Public does not see a link between mass consumption and the impending war with Iraq. Further polling indicates that Americans are convinced that Saddam¹s unrealistic inspection demands are related to a long-standing feud with George Bush Sr.

In related news, the United Nation¹s Secretary General Kofi Annan was taken aback by an unexpected Canadian press release earlier this week. In a bizarre admission, Jean Chrétien admitted to having well-developed "weapons of mass consumption" program. Canada made this admission only two days after being identified in Hussein¹s "axle of evil" speech. However, most experts agree that, in spite of this candid press release, an Iraqi strike on Canada is unlikely.

The Iraqi (SUV) Inspection Team, hampered by border-delays and red-tape, has only six days left to convince the United Nation¹s that American Mass-Consumption programs will deplete domestic oil reserves in about four years. If the inspection¹s team is successful, the United Nations has agreed to allow Iraq a small Middle Eastern country containing the lion¹s share of the world¹s oil reserves and the ability to develop cost-effective weapons of mass destruction to defend itself against larger oil-hungry nations.


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