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Top ten places ...

Dan

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... where you would like to live, given the following:

* You'll be paid a salary that allows you to live a comfortable, middle class lifestyle there (i.e. you can afford a three bedroom, two bathroom, 1800 square foot/170m2 house in a decent neighborhood, without selling your first born).
* Family issues (proximity to elderly/sick relatives, etc) aren't a factor.

My list, in no particular order.

1) Toronto, ON
2) Sydney, NSW
3) Portland, OR
4) Seattle, WA
5) San Francisco, CA
6) Vancouver, BC
7) Brisbane, Qlnd
8) Washington, DC
9) Boulder, CO (regardless of trustifarians)
10) Melbourne, Vic

My top ten "I'd rather be in a van by the river than a house in one of these cities"

1) El Paso. TX
2) Amarillo, TX
3) Beaumont, TX
4) Oklahoma City, OK
5) Tulsa, OK
6) Pueblo, CO
7) Topeka, KS
8) Midland/Odessa, TX
9) Laredo/Rio Grande Valley area, TX
10) Williamsport, PA
 

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My list in no particular order

Manhattan, Kansas
Heidelburg, Germany
London, England
Dublin, Ireland
Milan, Italy
Austin, Texas
Amsterdam, Holland
Munich, Germany
Anywhere in Denmark
Christchurch, New Zeeland


My anti life list:
Branson, Missouri
Las Vegas, Nevada
Atlantic City, New Jersey
Anywhere the humidity ever reaches 100% !
UTAH, Utah
LA, CA
Houston, Texas
Atlanta, Georgia
Ludwigshaffen, Germany
Bremerhaven, Germany
Belfast, Ireland

And based on hearsay only: Buffalo, New York
 
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Ten Most Desirable: (no order)
Manhattan, NY
Portland, ME
San Fran, CA
Madrid, Spain
Boston, MA
Narangansett, RI
New Glarus, WI
Charlottesville, VA
Brussels, Belgium
Amsterdam, Holland

Wouldn't touch with a 10 foot pole:
Atlanta, GA
LA, CA
Charlotte, NC
Syracuse, NY
Northern Virginia/DC Metro Area
Atlantic City, NJ
Ok, almost anywhere, NJ, if only because of their highway system


I actually would go to Buffalo, but only if I didn't have any children in school.
 

NHPlanner

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Likewise...no particular order...

The slightly Northeast biased want list (includes my current place of residence):

Concord, NH
Burlington, VT
Portsmouth, NH
Boston, MA
Providence, RI
Portland, ME
Portland, OR
Bozeman, MT
Munich, Germany
Toronto

The "Never...if I can help it" list:

Muncie, IN
Los Angeles
Dallas
Houston
Atlanta
Miami
NYC (just for sheer hatred of the Yankees)
And anywhere that I can't see a mountain on the horizon (with apologies to those of you from the flatlands)
 

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Not having traveled much out of North America, I will limit my comment to North American cities. In no particular order, these are some favorites:

Madison, WI
Rochester, MN
Eugene, OR
Savanna, GA
Vancouver, BC
Santa Fe, NM
Tacoma, WA
Montreal & Quebec, if they would just learn to speak American

Maybe because I like more rural area, my favorite metros are all smaller cities, and my least favorite tend to be bigger:

Oklahoma City, OK
Dallas, TX
Houston, TX
Los Angeles, CA
Atlantic City, NJ
Washington, DC
Orlando, Floridisney
New York, NY (sorry)
Springfield, MA
Phoenix, AZ

KMateja - New Galrus? Wat's up wit dat, hey?
 

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this is tough...

Most desired in no order:

San Diego, CA (but not inland)
London, UK (probably west end)
New York, NY (but not Staten Island)
Henderson, NV
Portland, OR
Siasconset, Nantucket, MA
New Orleans (new French Quarter but far enough off Bourbon Street)
Savannah, GA
Chicago (but the neighborhood would have to be 'just right' and I would have to be in a different profession)
Denver, CO


Not if you paid me:

Phoenix, AZ
Scottsdale, AZ
Tempe, AZ
Mesa, AZ (see a trend?)
Peoria, Kankakee, etc... (sorry Boiker)
Anywhere Montana, North Dakota, or South Dakota)
Newark, NJ
Atlanta, GA
LA, CA
Dallas, TX
 
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Michael - The best wedding I ever attended, beside my own, was in New Glarus. I have such happy, if not slightly blurry, memories of the town, with the local brewery and deep fried cheese curds. For those of you who aren't familiar - it is this little swiss town in Wisconsin, most of the shops' signs are in german, and there is a pub or beer garden on every corner. Were I the town planner of New Glarus, I would eat cheese curds every day and Polka every night.
 

el Guapo

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I will make a pilgrimage.

KMateja wrote:
Were I the town planner of New Glarus, I would eat cheese curds every day and Polka every night.
Sweet Jesus this must be heaven you speak of. I though the PC police had wiped the fun from America. Cheese, beer and polka.......ummm.....beer.....ummmmm.

Do they have a Volvo Dealer?
 

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Oh New Glarus....

....what a sweet microcosm. We try to re-enact it 2 hours east in Milwaukee every summer with Germanfest, but it just isn't quite the same....


This one's just for you, KMateja:

http://www.swisstown.com/
 
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OK, that was just so tremendous. I may have to pick up a package of cheese curds on my way home from work tonight. Granted, they're just going to be Cracker Barrell, and not battered and deep fried, but its the best I can do in Albany. sigh.
 

PlannerGirl

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whats wrong with DC

Hey whats wrong with DC? it sure as hell beats Greensboro *read greensboring* NC or worse yet Anniston Alabama. Now THAT is a god forsaken hell hole.

Best place to live...the atlantic side of Republic of Panama', white beach, quite, diving to your hearts content, nice folks and the weather has 2 seasons, wet and dry



Ps DC is fun just dont drive in the district, for a planned city the traffic patters are freakish at best

D
 

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Hmmm... top 10, eh?

Since I'm now in Oregon close to Eugene and Portland in the middle of the forest... I'll try. In no particular order:

1) Truckee, CA
2) Ariel, WA
3) Bar Harbor, ME
4) Cape Hatteras, NC
5) Charleston, SC
6) Hawaii... anywhere.
7) St. Prex, Switzerland
8) Calivas, Crete, Greece
9) Port St. Charles, Barbados
10) Savannah, GA

Places you'd have to use cloroform and leg irons to get me:

1) Detroit, MI - Or just about any rustbelt city...
2) Miami, FL
3) Los Angeles, CA
4) Atlanta, GA
5) Little Rock, AR
6) Several N states (Nebraska/N. Dakota/New Jersey)
7) College Station, TX - Oh hell, anywhere in Texas.
8) Oklahoma City, OK - Hell... anywhere in Oklahoma, too.
9) Paris, France - (Bunch of snot-nosed jerks)
10) Countries where dictators rule... unless I can be him.
 
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Sorry Danie, we briefly investigated moving to N. Virginia and hated it. The traffic, the cost of living, the traffic. We interviewed in Alexandria, in Loudon County, and some other places and could not believe how congested everything was, and how much housing cost. It reminded me a lot of Atlanta. However, I do have a lot of friends living in Fairfax and they love it.
 

PlannerGirl

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OK ill admit the cost of living is a bit to swallow. My bfs house is 2 br 1 bath 1930s no dish washer no garbage disposal no off street parking on a 4500 sq ft lot and its worth 300,000

his property value went up 80,000 in one year alone.

but we are willing to pay it *along with so many others* becouse everything is within walking distance thus no traffic to deal with. my commute to work is about 30 min for 14 miles of interstate. it was 25 min to go 7 miles in Greensboro.

When im older will i want to live here? That I dont know but as a young professional its fun and rewarding.

Sure beats Orlando Fla or Hotlanta

Danie
 

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Re: this is tough...

well since i've hardley had a chance to travel and i've only had a few places to live, here's my top ten.

Chicago (city proper)
London (never been there but love british culture)
I love any old industrial city that has good architecture, historic homes, and a thriving or rejuvinating downtown.


I can easily tell you where i don't want to live:

Atlanta (sprawl)
LA (sprawl)
San Diego (sprawl)
Any newer suburban community anywhere that contributes to sprawl.
Phoenix (sprawl)


sprawl is bad.. mm'k
 

Cardinal

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I love some of those old industrial cities as well, provided they are not falling apart, like Springfield MA. Pittsburgh might be eligible for my list.
 

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I figured I should finally get around to putting my list up...

The best (in no real order, except for number one):

Toronto, ON (hey, whaddya know - I live there!)
Ottawa, ON
Montreal, PQ
Oxford, UK
Kitchener-Waterloo, ON
Heidelburg, Germany (Only if El Guapo is there too)
Tokyo, Japan (never been, but I'd really like to go)
Boston, MA
Manchester, UK
Amsterdam, Netherlands

The "not if I can help it"...

Houston, TX (sorry TexasPlanner)
Los Angeles, CA
Sudbury, ON (but I'll probably end up back there anyway)
Detroit, MI
Phoenix, AZ
Edmonton, AB
Hamilton, ON
Winnipeg, MB
Omaha, NB
Memphis, TN

Finally, the "I'd be interested to go, but scared shitless in"

Cairo, Egypt
Bombay, India
Buenos Ares, Argentiana
Moscow, Russia
Philadelphia, PA
New York, NY
Istanbul, Turkey
Tapei, Taiwan
 

Habanero

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It's cool-

Tranplanner wrote:

Houston, TX (sorry TexasPlanner)
I hate Houston too, no zoning. It's awful. Been there once and hated it, wanted leave as soon as I got there. For a coastal city they have nothing implemented to really help with flooding (canals, etc.) if there is a hurricane so their underpasses flood when there is a rain storm. (If they do, it's as poorly run as the rest of the city) It's sad really, a bunch of paper shufflers and nothing more..

Oh, and on Moscow, highly suggest if you get the chance to go, go for it. I went when Communisim was collapsing, so it was a bit scary (ok, really *$#$ scary, we weren't sure if we were going to be able to leave the country) but it was beautiful.
 

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Hmmmm,
I don't think I have a top ten, how about a top three:

1) Portland, OR
2) Vancouver, BC
3) Seattle, WA
 

Dan

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Runner wrote:
1) Portland, OR
2) Vancouver, BC
3) Seattle, WA
I'd take Portland, but I think every planner is trying to get into the city, so competition is tough. I'm not an uber-planner with impeccable credentials, so I don't think I'd land a job there. Seattle -- it's now beyond the range of affordability, and I'd have to commite from Federal Way if I was going to get a house. Vancouver -- somewhat affordable if I live in the 'burbs. Sure, I'll go there.
 

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Are you saying that Boston is the "Portland" of the east coast? (Sorry, Maine.) If not, is there one? Is there an "Atlantic City" of the west coast?
 
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Most desirable:

Boston, MA
Philadelphia, PA
Washington, DC
New York, NY
San Francisco, CA
Seattle, WA
Portland, OR
San Diego, CA
Miami, FL
Hartford, CT

Least desirable:

Jackson, MS
Fargo, ND
Charleston, WV
Little Rock, AR
Lincoln, NE
Cheyenne, WY
Salt Lake City, UT
Sioux Falls, SD
Gary, IN
Springfield, MO
 

Habanero

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How does everyone feel about AZ?

Where does Arizona fall onto everyone's list? It's inching up my "I want to be there" list.. Any ideas or the real Arizona?
 

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Some parts of AZ are great

As a former Arizonan, I can say there are some beautiful stretches of Arizona that are like nowhere else. But, unfortunately, some of it is being eaten up by the same old sprawl you see everywhere.

Tucson and southern AZ are wonderful, what most people think Arizona should look like. Northern AZ, Flagstaff and Show Low, the Grand Canyon and Navajo country also (more like what you think Colorado should look like).

Phoenix is mostly just the same old schlock you see in any booming late 20th century megalopolis.
 
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Springfield, MO made my list as it is considered one of the big buckles of the bible belt. The bible belt mentality and I just don't get along.
 

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Darrell wrote:
Springfield, MO made my list as it is considered one of the big buckles of the bible belt. The bible belt mentality and I just don't get along.
Hence, my move from SW MO to Oregon....
 

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Dan Tasman wrote:
... where you would like to live, given the following:

* You'll be paid a salary that allows you to live a comfortable, middle class lifestyle there (i.e. you can afford a three bedroom, two bathroom, 1800 square foot/170m2 house in a decent neighborhood, without selling your first born).
* Family issues (proximity to elderly/sick relatives, etc) aren't a factor.
1) Portland, OR
2) Key West, Florida
3) Washington D. C.
4) Savannah, Georgia
5) Charleston, SC
6) Charleston, WV
7) Madison, WI
8) Montpelier, VT
9) Cape May, NJ
10) Galviston, TX

My top ten "I'd rather be in a van by the river than a house in one of these cities"

1) Orland Park, IL
2) Orlando, FL (sorry, Dan)
3) Los Angles, CA
4) Atlanta, GA
5) Pigeon Forge/Gatlinburg, TN
6) Houston, TX
7) Plano, TX
8) Phoenix, AZ
9) Atlantic City, NJ
10) Ocean City, MD
 

pandersen

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Top Ten Places to Live
(in no particular order) N. American bias acknowledged - I'm assuming no malitias, cults, fanatics or other fringe groups operating in any of these areas. In developing this list, I'm also assuming these places would be safe, have good schools etc, etc. NOTE: I realize that in some cases this is a fantasy.

West of Calgary but East of Vancouver (the Rockies)
Wyoming
Montana
South Dakota
Western Manitoba
Washington State
Northern or Central Ontario
Western Newfoundland
Yukon
NWT
Anybody see a theme developing here - maybe "big sky" captures it. What can I say, Toronto is nice -I grew up there, but the traffic, conjestion and garagescapes turn me off. What can I say, I have developed a preference for being "out in the sticks". Maybe it's just that my graduate degree is in rural planning and development.

Top Ten Places To Avoid
NOTE: This list is based in part on personal experience, a hatred of summer humidity and in some cases stupid people

Detroit, MI - been there and done that
Houston, TX (we don't need no stinking zoning)
Sistersville, West Virginia (trust me on this one)
Las Vegas, Nevada
Alabama
Mississippi
Georgia
Arizona (too damn hot)
Florida (too damn many old people, drive by shootings and car jackings and most importantly - too damn hot too much of the year. What can I say, I like seeing the leaves change colors in the fall, I enjoy winter (except when I have to shovel).
 

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In North America:
DC and some of it environs. Northern Va. has som great places
Chicago, but I agree with bturk got to be the right neighborhood
Some places in the SF Bay area, but others no way Got to be BART or Caltrain

But the best place I've ever been is Szeged Hungary. Tru mixed use Walk 4 blocks safely and find most anythiong you ned. Wonderful transit Clean and a University town to boot. If you get a chance check out Hungary. Even under comununism there was a strong private sector, much personal freedom and the country wasn't nearly as bad off $ wise as most Warsaw Pact countries. My frinds there said that the real work of the country started at 5:00 PM. Of course a lot of private enterprise was accomplished on the "state" clock as well.
 

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Darrell-
What's up with hating Lincoln, NE? Not too many people even get there!

My Favorites:
Savannah, GA (even if it is full of crime)
Boise, Idaho
Alexandria, VA (as far away from DC as possible-love their downtown/wharf area)
Lincoln, NE (it's a great place to live! Not much stress)
San Diego, CA (love the weather there)
Bath, England (what a quaint place-London is too dirty, I call it the black booger capital of the world)
Dublin, Ireland
Kansas City, MO
Montego Bay, Jamaica (yes, they are poor, but it is beautiful)
Las Vegas, NV (what fun!)


Least Favorites:
Tijuana, Mexico
Omaha, NE
Washington DC (love to visit, never will live there)
Mississippi
Atlanta, GA
Texas (everywhere)
Little Rock, AK
St. Louis, MO
Dubuque, IA
Orlando and Tampa, FL
 

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Detroit, MI
Detroit, MI
Detroit, MI
Detroit, MI
Detroit, MI
Detroit, MI
Detroit, MI
Detroit, MI
Detroit, MI
Houghton, MI

Is that 10?
 
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Nice to meet you all. My first post/reply.

No puh-tickler order..

Me livin':

Miami, FL
Ft Lauderdale, FL
Chicago
NYC
San Diego
Philly
Melbourne, Aussie

Not livin, no way:

Hickory, NC
Atlanta
Orlando
That town from the movie Footloose
Detroit
Boston
Baghdad
 

Bucky alum

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My Top 10

These are places I would love to live: All places I have been to

1. Madison, WI (home sweet home) and has a lot to do in a small area
2. Freiburg, Germany
3. Boulder, CO
4. Banff, Alberta (Calgary is close enough)
5. Vancouver,
6. Lanikai, HI
7. Portland, ME
8. Kansas City, KS
9. Munich
10. Amsterdam

Places I would move to and haven't visited.

1. New Zealand
2 Australia and this includes Perth. I really want to see Perth.
3. Toyko
4. Scandanvia
5. Baltics
6. Russia, St. Petersburg, Moscow, Siberia

Places where I could move with my current job.

1. Newark, NJ (currently)
2. Houston, TX
3. Cleveland, OH
4. Guam

Now you see why I think about getting a degree in a different field.
 

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Unfortunately have not travelled outside of Canada/USA.
Dislike cold,like places with a sense of history,good public transit,interesting....
1)New York(not Statten I)
2)Philadelphia
3)Boston
4)Washington DC
5)Chicago
6)Baltimore
7)Montreal
8)San Fransisco
9)Toronto
10)Pittsburgh

Chose between cities over 200,000 population,otherwise every town in North West Territories.
Dislike conservative places where cowboy boots and a pickup are always in style,dislike cold,dislike strips and box stores.
1)Anchorage AK
2)Colorado Springs,CO
3)Wichita,KS
4)Las Vegas,NV
5}Edmonton,AB
6)Oklahoma City,OK
7)El Paso,TX
8)Winnipeg,MB
9)Tulsa,OK
10)Shreveport,LA
 
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My top ten, no order

1. San Francisco
2. Vancouver B.C.
3. Houston
4. New York
5. Seattle
6. Dallas
7. Miami
8. Washington D.C.
9. Los Angeles
10. San Diego

Never
1. Cincinnati
2. Dayton
3. St. Louis
4. Milwaukee
5. Detroit
6. Philadelphia
7. Boston
8. Minneapolis
9. Phoenix
10. Buffalo
 

Jessie-J

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lovely places vs. nightmares

Always an option:

Austin, TX
San Diego, CA
Portland, OR
San Antonio, TX
Toronto
Prescott, AZ
Santa Fe, NM


Never an option:

Podunk anywhere.....
South Texas
Misery...I mean Missouri
Southern Illinois
North Dakota
South Dakota
Las Vegas
Florida
 

Cardinal

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Re: lovely places vs. nightmares

Jessie-J said:
Never an option:

Misery...I mean Missouri
Better be careful there, some well-armed planners hail from Missouri.
 

DecaturHawk

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Planipolous said:
Darrell-
What's up with hating Lincoln, NE? Not too many people even get there!
Planipoulous-
What's up with hating Dubuque? Even fewer people ever get there.

BTW, I agree with you about Lincoln, it's a great and underrated town.
 

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OK, here's my shot, among my somewhat limited travels:

Bigger towns that are great (in no order):

Chicago (but not the burbs)
Milwaukee
St. Paul (better than Minneapolis, but Mpls. is nice too)
Kansas City MO
Fort Worth
Pittsburgh
San Diego
New Orleans
Boston
Austin

Great medium-sized cities:

Des Moines
Madison
Omaha (can't understand why so many don't seem to like it)
Lincoln
Grand Rapids
Halifax NS

Great smaller cities

Cedar Rapids
Kalamazoo
Dubuque
Rochester, MN
Portland ME
Manchester NH
Fargo (yes, Fargo)
San Angelo, TX

Places to avoid:

Dallas
Houston
Abilene TX
Springfield IL
and yes...Decatur IL
 

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good places

ten I like (no order):

adjacency to any of the five Great Lakes is very important to me. They are an amazing national asset.

...But here are the places I have spent the most time in:
Chicago
Toronto
Ann Arbor, MI
Pittsburgh
Lakewood, OH
Berea, OH
Sesto Fiorentino, Italy (outside Florence, Italy)
Milford, CT (east of I-95)
Greenwich Village area, NYC

And Finally...My boyhood hometown...Alpena, MI

It meets the criteria set out at the beginning. Plus it has a low cost of living, cheap, quality housing, right on Lake Huron, the metro center for the northeastern corner of Lower Michigan, and pop. of 13,000.
 

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Cities/places I'd love to live, in no order

Charleston, SC
Zurich
San Francisco
Newport, RI
Bozeman, MT
Bouldor, CO
Annapolis, MD
Burlington, VT
Southwest England
Ashville, NC/Greenville, SC


My salary would have to quadrupled for me to even consider living in these places:

Fayetteville, NC
Reno, NV
Souix City, IA
Florence, SC
El Paso, TX
Dallas, TX
Houston, TX
Pretty much all of Texas...Excluding Austin
LA
Uniontown, PA
Jersey
 

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To Kwame K:

Could you be D-town's top politician? If so, that's pretty cool.

But you say Detroit and Houghton, MI. Interesting.
 
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Top 10 to live (in no particular order)
Zurich, Switzerland
Sanibel Island, FL
Austin, TX
Cambridge, England
Amelia Island, FL
Sarasota, FL
San Francisco
Wellington, New Zealand
The Virgin Islands
St. Pete, FL

Top 10 to avoid:
Savannah, GA (full of crime, not a real nice place to live despite its romantic air)
Atlanta, GA
LA
Chicago
Detroit
New Jersey
Boston
Phoenix
Ohio
Oklahoma
 

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Top Ten Cities

I used to have a couple of jobs that required me to travel all over the US, and based on that, here are my top ten, in no particular order:

1. Washington DC. And surroundings. I lived there most of my life, in NoVa and on Capitol Hill. It’s where it’s happening; world events are the local news. Great cultural opportunities, many of which are free (thanks, America!). Don’t know if it would be tolerable right now to be in such proximity to the self-righteous, anti-American-way Bush-leaguers. Hated the summer there. Love the spring and fall. Both weeks. I’m an information junkie, and any information you want is there. Downtown DC is one of easiest places to get around, and with plenty of reason to want to.

2. San Francisco. Obviously.

3. Portland. Either of them. I live about two hours from OR. Great neighborhoods, food, wine. Good culture. Great recreational opportunities. I used to visit ME a lot. Wonderful downtown; walkable. Good people. By the way, someone said, regarding the question, “Portland or Boston,” Portland won the coin toss. That’s exactly how Portland OR got its name. A coin toss between someone from Boston and someone from Portland, ME. And forget Seattle. Used to be nice. Now it’s full of refugee Californians, who have totally Californicated the place.

4. Denver. And smaller cities to the north (Boulder, Longmont, Loveland, Fort Collins). Good energy, good planning atmosphere. Great recreation. Two brothers-in-law live there, so I’d have instant family. Ex-wife lives there, too!

5. Baltimore. Most of the benefits of DC, without the self-righteous, anti-American-way Bush-leaguers. Major league baseball, in a way. Good, thriving downtown.

6. Miami. Caliente! Summers are a bear, but winter is great. The energy level is fun.

7. New York. Anything you want is there.

8. Chicago. The lake, the architecture, the neighborhoods, the pizza.

9. Boston. But with little enthusiasm. A little too cold, traffic a little too bad.

10. Random smaller cities: Ashland, OR; Cedar Rapids, IA; San Antonio, TX; Charlottesville, VA. My absolute number one best place on earth to live as far as I know is Pacific Grove, CA. If only I had the money.

Also-rans: Kansas City, MO; Sacramento, CA; Austin, TX; Harrisburg, PA; Cleveland, OH

I haven’t traveled outside of North America too much, but when I was in Copenhagen, I thought it was the most wonderful city on earth. Of course, this was in 1985, and I had come there directly from two weeks in Breznev-era Moscow. After Moscow maybe even El Paso would seem good.

The bottom ten:

1. El Paso. An absolute hell-hole. I would live in Olongapo before I’d live there. By the way, I know a great seafood restaurant in Olongapo.

2. Atlanta. The capital of hypocrisy. Bad weather, bad environment, bad, bad, bad. And that goes double for Macon.

3. Oklahoma City. A city of parking lots. Tornados.

4. Dallas. No redeeming social value.

5. Anything in Louisiana. If Quebec ever secedes from Canada, can we make them take Lousy-ana?

6. Nashville. Spent a month there one day. Absolutely hated the town every time I went there. But maybe that was because one of the worst things that ever happened to me happened there.

7. Charleston, WV. Think of all the bad things you’ve ever heard about Newark. They’re all true about Charleston. And as for the other Charleston, the one in SC, all I can for it is that it has some pretty buildings. But if your family wasn’t there before the unpleasantness between the states, you’ll never fit in. Think, “The Citadel.” Think, “Bob Jones University” (I know, BJU is in Greenville, but the whole damn state is like that.) Makes the Idaho panhandle look like the capital of tolerance. General Sherman had the right idea.

8. Phoenix. Los Angeles without the ocean. With worse weather and water problems.

9. Los Angeles, including Las Vegas. Born there, went to college there (Bruins!). Take away the ocean, and it’s Phoenix.

10. Sioux City, IA. There’s a reason its airline code is SUX.

Also-rans: Any city in southern Wyoming. Why does any place the oil industry dominates turn out to be such armpits? Tulsa, OK, with its Jetsons-style architecture at Oral Roberts University (is that still there?) Anchorage, AK. I interviewed for a job there. My wife and I went out and celebrated when I didn’t get the offer.
 
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