• Back at the office or school? Still working from home? Need to vent, or just connect with other planner and built environment types? Come join us!

    Cyburbia is a friendly big tent, where we share our experiences and thoughts about urban planning practice, planning adjacent topics, and whatever else comes to mind. No ads, no spam, no social distancing or masks required.

Top ten places ...

michaelskis

Cyburbian
Messages
20,877
Points
57
mendelman said:

But you say Detroit and Houghton, MI. Interesting.

Houghton, MI???? NOOOOOOOOOO Don't do it. About 400 inches of snow, a Tech school, and no good bars.

I went to school 90 miles from there.. and we would make jokes about the people who live in Houghton.
 

michaelskis

Cyburbian
Messages
20,877
Points
57
Hmmmm

I have not thought much about it....

For right now,
Chicago
Detroit
New Orleans
Kalamazoo (but my sister will not let me live in the same city)
Madison
Millwakee
Twin Cities (MN)
Steemboat Springs
Aspen


After getting married and a kid or two
Anarbor MI
Brighton MI
Farmington Hills MI
Plymoth MI
*or some other place around Detroit
around Chicago
Steemboat Springs
Aspen

Don't want to live (unless I retire)
Upper Michigan (would like to retire in Big Bay MI)
Pittsburg
Erie
Grayling MI
Rice Lake WI
Pestigo WI
ANY Place other that New Orleans in the South
 

oulevin

Cyburbian
Messages
178
Points
7
Top Ten

I have to say something for my hometown, Oklahoma City. Sure, it may appear unsightly from the interstates, and sure, planning hasn't had much of a role in its growth and development -- but things are changing. Downtown and inner city development is on the front burner after decades of neglect. The Bricktown district is bringing back nightlife. Sports and the arts have returned to downtown, as have residential units -- which will soon double from its count of a few years ago. A downtown riverwalk and connecting riverfront will bring recreational and commercial opportunities the likes of which the city has never seen. Street cleaning and beautification is a priority. And the city's central cultural assets -- Little Saigon, Hispanic Capitol Hill, and the civil rights-historic Deep Deuce neighborhood are beginning to blossom.

Having said that, here's my top ten, in no particular order:

Portland, OR
Oklahoma City
Duport Circle in Washington, DC
downtown Fort Worth
Indianapolis
San Diego
Manhattan
Austin, TX
Denver
Toronto

Places I'd rather not

Dallas
San Francisco under Willie Brown
New Orleans
Buffalo, NY
Los Angeles
Las Vegas

Of course, this will most likely change over time...........
 

PlannerGirl

Cyburbian Plus
Messages
6,370
Points
29
Dupont is soooo wonderful! Logan cir is also coming as the new hot area but there is no metro
 

jordanb

Cyburbian
Messages
3,225
Points
25
Ok, mine:

1 Chicago (of course)
2 Boston (except I could never be a Bostonian)
3 New York (Dunno what I'd do with the pizza though, certianly not eat it)
4 Portland
5 San Francisco
6 Toronto
7 London
8 Amsterdam
9 Seattle (It'd be higher if they weren't building such wussy rapid-transit)
10 Philadelphia

Worst:

1 Atlanta (NEVER NEVER NEVER)
2 Los Angeles (see atlanta)
3 Las Vegas
4 Mexico City (placeholder for all third world hellholes)
5 Detroit
6 Gary (Placeholder for all post-industrial corpses)
7 East St Louis
8 Florida (All of it) (Especially Orlando)
9 Orange County (and all similar places)
10 Suburban Chicago
 
Last edited:

biscuit

Cyburbian
Messages
3,899
Points
25
Re: Top Ten Cities

Rich Townsend said:
... And as for the other Charleston, the one in SC, all I can for it is that it has some pretty buildings. But if your family wasn’t there before the unpleasantness between the states, you’ll never fit in. Think, “The Citadel.” Think, “Bob Jones University” (I know, BJU is in Greenville, but the whole damn state is like that.) Makes the Idaho panhandle look like the capital of tolerance. General Sherman had the right idea.

Wow. I guess it's safe to say that we intolerant South Carolina natives probably hold you in equally high regard. ;)
 

mendelman

Unfrozen Caveman Planner
Staff member
Moderator
Messages
15,531
Points
60
to michelaskis

I need to clarify:

Bay City, Mi IS NOT UPPER MICHIGAN. It is middle lower Michigan. Grayling, MI is certainly upper Michigan.

I have always laughed when southeastern Michigan people call Bay City/Saginaw "up North". That was always "down south" for me. And I can't imagine what UP'ers call it.
 

SW MI Planner

Cyburbian
Messages
3,196
Points
27
Big Bay *is* in the UP though, and I think that's what he said. ((unless I missed something, which is entirely possible))
 

oulevin

Cyburbian
Messages
178
Points
7
Dupont Circle

Dupont Circle plays the middle ground, literally and figuratively, between Georgetown prep and Adams Morgan electric.
 

mendelman

Unfrozen Caveman Planner
Staff member
Moderator
Messages
15,531
Points
60
sorry to michealskis

read your post too fast. I read Big Bay as Bay City.
 

michaelskis

Cyburbian
Messages
20,877
Points
57
My bad..
A friend from Bay City had just e-mailed me, so that is why I had that on my mind.

But I see MANY of you know what I am talking about.
 

michaelskis

Cyburbian
Messages
20,877
Points
57
I love the light house up there. It is one of those places that seem to be at the end of the earth... (Ok it is close to the end of the earth)

The Jimmy Stewart movie Anatomy of a Murder which was filmed in Marquette and Ishpeming Mi, was taken from a real life murder case in Big Bay Mi.
 

Otis

Cyburbian
Messages
5,168
Points
31
Re: Re: Top Ten Cities

biscuit said:
Wow. I guess it's safe to say that we intolerant South Carolina natives probably hold you in equally high regard. ;)

I think that was my point. But perhaps I was a bit impolitic. I also left out that Columbia has some of the best barbeque I have ever tasted.
 

martini

Cyburbian
Messages
678
Points
19
Top ten, eh?

This'll be kinda hard....

I've not done too much travel, but enough to see places. NO specific order here either.

Pittsburg PA~love the hills, pocket communities, architecture, DIrt Rag is based there
Paonia CO~Amazing littel town tucked on the western slope of CO. Close to Crested Butte, but far enough away, reletively easy access to I70.
Minneapolis MN I live near there now, and it really is a nice city even though we have a moron for guvner right now.
Madison WI What can I say? sweet twon, good size, LOTS of amenities.
La Crosse WI Driftless zone! Gold medal Trout streams EVERYWHERE.
Bozeman MT Great mountain biking, freindly people
Boise Udapimp just looks like a nice town with lots of outdoor amenities
Any central OR town just 'cause.
NorCal Just cause
hmmmm, I'm not too picky probably some where in Appilachia. I like them hills, maybe Roanoke VA, I've got cousins there, and they love it, and visiting was nice.

No how, now way, never never lands:

SoCal
Texass
Deep south
Detroit
NYC
Chicago
Florida
Misouri-misery(well maybe St Louis)
NoDak(SoDak, the west part is OK, specailly Rapid or Spearfish)
Iowa
 

biscuit

Cyburbian
Messages
3,899
Points
25
Re: Top ten, eh?

martini said:
Pittsburg PA~love the hills, pocket communities, architecture, Dirt Rag is based there.

hmmmm, I'm not too picky probably some where in Appilachia. I like them hills, maybe Roanoke VA, I've got cousins there, and they love it, and visiting was nice.

Pittsburgh is great. I've only been here a few months but I feel like I should know this. What/Who is Dirt Rag?

I spent some time consulting in the Roanoke area a couple years back really liked it. Thought it seemed like a good place to raise a family.
 

martini

Cyburbian
Messages
678
Points
19
Re: Re: Top ten, eh?

biscuit said:
Pittsburgh is great. I've only been here a few months but I feel like I should know this. What/Who is Dirt Rag?

Dirt Rag is what I think the best mountain bike magazine is. They've been putting it out on thier own for 10+ years, and still stick with a matte paper stock. It's got a very home-made, welcoming feel to it. The cycling community in Pittsburg is pretty good to boot, it you're into that.

I was really impresssed with Roanoke for the few hours we were there. Beautiful drive in from the Blue Ridge. Lots of idyllic farms and towns in the country.
 

bocian

Cyburbian
Messages
212
Points
9
Always:

Gdansk, Poland
Krakow, Poland
Copenhagen, Denmark
Gyor, Hungary
Venice, Italy
NYC, New York (hate/love)
Ljublijana, Slovenia
Bratislava, Slovakia
Prague (but get rid of the tourists, will you?)

Never:

Bible Belt ( that includes the whole Florida...) or south of: maryland, pennsylvania, ohio, illinois, etc...
England (god save the queen...)
Mexico City (bigger LA? no, thanks)
Well, L.A.
Make it the whole California with the exception of San Francisco
Chicago (have lived there too long - I was sick of washing my face after I got home, cleaning up the pollution from my face..)
La Crosse, Wisconsin (there's something about that city that... scares me - the atmospher, downtown silo? Its streets beg for murder...)
Xenia, Ohio (DON't EVER get a flat tire there!!!)
NYC (love/hate)
Northern Italy (the place just reeks of pesticides..)
 

Hceux

Cyburbian
Messages
1,028
Points
22
Re: My list in no particular order

el Guapo said:


My anti life list:
Branson, Missouri
Las Vegas, Nevada
Atlantic City, New Jersey
Anywhere the humidity ever reaches 100% !
UTAH, Utah
LA, CA
Houston, Texas
Atlanta, Georgia
Ludwigshaffen, Germany
Bremerhaven, Germany
Belfast, Ireland

And based on hearsay only: Buffalo, New York

How in the world do you know Ludwigshaffen, Germany? I was there for a night on an organized tour. Although I didn't get to see much of the town, I adored its 1950s feel in the downtown area. What's so terrible about Ludwigshaffen?
 
Last edited:

benk928

Cyburbian
Messages
31
Points
2
hehe

Given my limited travels:

Williamsburg, VA
Portland, ME
Boston, MA
Charlottesville, VA
Newport, RI
Philadelphia, PA
Bar Harbor, ME
Seattle, WA
Princeton, NJ
Annapolis, MD

...basically some little coastal town in New England. The colder, the better.

Places I hope to avoid:

New York, NY (resentful of its cultural stranglehold)
Baltimore, MD
Northern VA
Hopewell, VA
Northern NJ
Harrisonburg, VA
Florida
Houston, TX
Canton, OH
Bowling Green, VA

-Ben
 

tsc

Cyburbian
Messages
1,900
Points
23
In no order....

1. Manhattan, NY
2. Block Island
3. Provincetown, MA
4. Burlington, VT
5. Spring Lake, NJ
6. Boston, MA
7. Saranac Lake, NY
8. Salem, MA
9. An island in the 1,000 Islands, St. Lawrence River (Canada or USA)
10. Chora, Patmos Island, Greece

The last place I would want to live... in no order.....

1. Utica-Rome, NY
2. Binghamton, NY or within 30 miles of the Route 17/81 crossing
3. Atlanta, GA.... too much traffic...
4. Any city in N. Carolina/S. Carolina (actually any southern city)
5. Paramus, NJ
6. Albany, NY (sorry Downtown.. gives me the creeps at night)
7. Philadelphia
8. Los Angeles, CA
9. Washington, DC
10. Knoxville, TN... been there several times... and just didn't like it.
 
Messages
1,260
Points
22
Top 10 Favorites:

Washington, DC
Long Island, NY
Boston, MA
Providence, RI
Charlotte, NC
Chicago, IL
Baltimore, MD
Phila, PA
St. Louis, MO
Omaha, NE

Least favorites

Omaha, NE (I have love/hate relationship with my hometown.)
Kansas City
Las Vegas
Atlanta
the Deep South
Iowa
Denver
Erie, PA
Twin Cities
Dallas
 

Plannerbabs

Cyburbian
Messages
1,037
Points
23
Places I'd move (back) to in a heartbeat, in no order:
Boston
NYC
Chicago
Providence (never been there but heard it's a pretty up-and-coming place)
Indianapolis
Manchester, UK
London, UK
Edinburgh
Portland
Portland
Montpellier, France
Toronto or the Georgian Bay area

Uh-uh, no way, forget about it:
Anywhere south of Bloomington, Indiana (for the weather and idealogies, sorry, Southerners, and I know Indiana isn't a Southern state)
California
Texas
Utah, even though it's beautiful
Nevada
Gary, IN
Anywhere where summer lasts more than 3 months and humidity tops 75 % consistently. Ack.
 
Last edited:

Seabishop

Cyburbian
Messages
3,832
Points
25
TOPS: - in no particular order:
(Remember, this is with $ to live in a decent neighborhood and not worry about schools)

Boston
Providence (East side - although in my fantasy I get to leave RI)
Bristol or Jamestown, RI
Toronto
Portland, OR
Portland, ME
Manhattan (maybe)
Philly
“Ye Olde historic Massachusetts coastal town” - Hingham, Hull etc.
Mystic, CT
Barcelona / Madrid


PLACES I'VE NEVER BEEN BUT I'D BE EAGER TO CONSIDER:
Chicago
Vancouver, BC
Seattle
Montreal
Burlington, VT
Charleston, SC
Annapolis, MD or "Ye Olde historic Chesapeke Bay coastal town"
New Orleans – with lots of air conditioning and a bullet proof vest ;)


NO WAY:
Most of the Sunbelt although I could be talked into a smaller historic city
Great Plains – US or Canadian
Upstate NY
Most of Pennsylvania besides Philly and Pittsburgh
Long Island
Cape Cod
All of Connecticut’s larger cities
Worcester/Springfield/Brockton/Lowell/Lawrence/Fall River/New Bedford, MA
LA / Vegas
 
Messages
44
Points
2
Top Ten I would move to.
1) Ithaca, NY
2) Burlington, VT
3) Boston
4) DC
5) Rochester, NY
6) New York City
7) Philadelphia
8) Ottawa
9) Saratoga Springs, NY
10) Montreal

Ten I would never move to
1) Dallas/Fort Worth
2) Orlando
3) Tampa
4) Atlanta
5) Phoenix
6) Detroit
7) Memphis
8) Houston
9) LA
10) Las Vegas
 

Elisabeth

Cyburbian
Messages
157
Points
7
Top ten:

1. Burlington or Montpelier, VT
2. Saratoga Springs, NY
3. Rockport, MA
4. County Galway, Ireland
5. Sorrento, Italy
6. NYC (Manhattan and Brooklyn only)
7. Annapolis (maybe B-more b/c the current mayor is a fellow alum & I'm hearing good things), MD
8. Hawaii
9. Washington, DC
10. Cooperstown, NY

Places I'd like to check out:
1. The pacific northwest
2. Northern Cali
3. Fiji
4. Switzerland
5. Edinburgh, Scotland

Never Ever:
1. Long Island
2. Los Angeles
3. Erie, PA
4. Syracuse, NY
5. Ocean City, MD
6. Newark, NJ
7. Wilmington, DE
8. Any of the plains states--I need topography
9. Michigan (Go Buckeyes!)
10. Celebration, FL (too weird)
 

Rumpy Tunanator

Cyburbian
Messages
4,463
Points
25
Top 10:
Buffalo- Hey if I can stay I will
Sydney
Vancouver, BC
Chicago
Pittsburgh
Dublin, Ireland
Hong Kong
Anchorage
Minneapolis
Iceland

No thanks:
Any city in Tennesee
Charleston, WV (or anywhere in that state)
L.A.
Dallas
Miami
Cincinnati
Atlantic City, NJ
Las Vegas
Boston
Beijing
 

SkeLeton

Cyburbian
Messages
4,837
Points
26
Chilean Top ten

Best:
1.- Valdivia (Gee, ain't I biased)
2.- Cochiguaz (for the ones that want to escape from the modern world)
3.- Castro (Chiloe, not Fidel)
4.- San Pedro de Atacama (Interesting rustic lifestyle)
5.- Puerto Varas
6.- Frutillar
7.- Valparaiso
8.- Providencia (part of Santiago)
9.- Pucon (But not in the summer)
10.- Bahia Inglesa

Worst:
1.- Santiago's slums (worst place in Chile)
2.- Puerto Montt (waaaay too much sprawl, and chaotic urban growth)
3.- Osorno (boooooooring!)
4.- Temuco
5.- Concepcion
6.- Viña del Mar (Chilean Miami)
7.- Punta Arenas (too cold, too windy)
8.- Antofagasta (fugly!)
9.- La Serena (nice historical downtown, but decaying quickly)
10.- La Paz (no, not Bolivia, a small town near Valdivia, which it's main income must be traffic tickets on their little strech of highway)
 

mike gurnee

Cyburbian
Messages
3,065
Points
32
Interesting that Atlanta makes the bottom for a majority of us (I agree). Decades ago, it would have been in my top 10. Anyone else had a change of heart over the years due to areas messing themselves up?
 

H

Cyburbian
Messages
2,846
Points
24
mike gurnee said:
Interesting that Atlanta makes the bottom for a majority of us (I agree). Decades ago, it would have been in my top 10. Anyone else had a change of heart over the years due to areas messing themselves up?

Well, yes. As I have said before, I was born and raised in Atlanta and think it was the best place in the world for 'me' to grow up during the 70's and 80's. But I left 10 years ago to start school (out of state) and will say that since that time (but obviously starting prior) the ATL metro area has messed it self up sooo bad that I dont even like going back because it makes my somach sick to think about how wonderful it once was and now it is a traffic sprawled chain restaurant covered mess. :-#

Not that there hasnt been some nice additions in the city since the 80's, but the over all area is an example of "how not to plan".

My old nieghborhood/area in the city still looks the exact same, if not better. It is the area surrounding Atlanta that has developed in such a bleek manner. :-|
 
Last edited:

Seabishop

Cyburbian
Messages
3,832
Points
25
It seems to be the Planner's Curse to be attracted to historic and attractive places that our well beyond our meager incomes. :)
 

BKM

Cyburbian
Messages
6,461
Points
29
In think that sadly, you could repeat H's comments about almost every large or medium sized city in the country. My hometown, Fort Wayne, Indiana features an abandoned downtown (except for out-of-town owned bank towers and a few government buildings) and sprawling "country" subdivisions 30 miles north and southwest of town-all linked by a (new to me) ring freeway that is facilitating further sprawl.
 

Quail64

Cyburbian
Messages
54
Points
4
From my limited travel experiences-

Seattle
Vancouver (BC)
Chicago
Portland (OR)
Kobe (Jpn)
Tokyo (Jpn)
Osaka (Jpn)
Denver
Hawaii
Spokane (let's face it, home is home)

No thanks-

Anywhere below San Fransisco
Just about anywhere in the mid-west, besides Chicago (just gotta have those mountains)
Central Washington
England (they've given us some great music over the years, but that's probably a manifestation of tortured souls)

That's it with places I've actually been.
 

Super Amputee Cat

Cyburbian
Messages
2,502
Points
35
Re: Re: Top ten places ...

Super Amputee Cat said:
1) Portland, OR
2) Key West, Florida
3) Washington D. C.
4) Savannah, Georgia
5) Charleston, SC
6) Charleston, WV
7) Madison, WI
8) Montpelier, VT
9) Cape May, NJ
10) Galveston, TX

My top ten "I'd rather be in a van by the river than a house in one of these cities"

1) Orland Park, IL
2) Orlando, FL (sorry, Dan)
3) Los Angles, CA
4) Atlanta, GA
5) Pigeon Forge/Gatlinburg, TN
6) Houston, TX
7) Plano, TX
8) Phoenix, AZ
9) Atlantic City, NJ
10) Ocean City, MD

Since, it's been more than a year and a half since I posted my list, my attitude toward some of these cities has changed and I have visited some new places during the past two years that are worthy of being on the list. I also think Detroit has a lot of potential.

1) Portland, OR
2) Key West, FL
3) Washington D. C.
4) Hot Springs, AR New
5) Savannah, Georgia
6) Charleston, SC
7) Natchez, MS New
8) Madison, WI
9) Cape May, NJ
10) Detroit, MI New

I have added Las Vegas and Littleton to the Top 10 worst and dropped Ocean City and Atlantic City. We were in Ocean City last summer and although it's still a nasty place, there were more old houses around than I remember. Vegas on the other hand, I can't believe I didn't put it on the list the first time. I also can't believe I didn't think of Columbine before.

1) Orland Park, IL
2) Orlando, FL
3) Littleton, CO New
4) Los Angles, CA
5) Atlanta, GA
6) Pigeon Forge/Gatlinburg, TN
7) Plano, TX
8) Houston, TX
9) Phoenix, AZ
10) Las Vegas, NV New
 
Last edited:

BKM

Cyburbian
Messages
6,461
Points
29
I've been reading this, and I realize I've never posted on it.

My Top few:

1. San Francisco (the lottery is $8 million tonight after taxes :)) Especially since the hippy lost (I guess I'm not that liberal after all). There is just something about "The City" that I love. The scale, the quirky neighborhoods, the walkability. Its still my favorite.

2. Oakland/Berkeley California. Some bad neighborhoods and crime, but, imo, the most beautiful residential suburbs in the United States. Great architecture, beautiful (if fire-prone) trees. Fantastic for dogs (35-linear miles of off-leash parks), better weather than SF (not as cold, but still cooled by the ocean/bay), great neighborhood shopping districts (College Avenue in Berkeley's Elmwood and Oakland's Rockridge) And great road bike riding in the hills. Big negatives include heavy regional traffic congestion, despite BART, and that scary, scary Hayward Fault.

3. Portland, Oregon. A littel rainy, but they seem to be doing everything right.

4. Boston. Like the scale (narrow streets!!!), the brick architecture, a mayor who realizes that an entire economy can't be based on software and frou frou retail. Dislike the poverty in many of the outer neighborhoods.

5. Santa Fe, NM. Touristy, but beautiful and distinct.

6. Charlottesville. A little snooty, but a beautiful setting and architectural tradition. Nice landscape for cycling (although I fear they've suburbanized it to the point that there's no good road riding left. Its been a few years.)

7. Chicago-Great City!! For the reasons others have listed.

8. Amsterdam

9. Helsinki. I have a "fix" on Finnish architecture.

Probably not:

Atlanta (despite some interesting projects),
Nashville (an amazingly dull city, at least physically),
Seattle (drizzle ALL of the time, lousy residential architecture and built environment outside of downtown, horrible traffic)
New York City-a little too intense for me.

Definitely NOT!:

Most of the deep south.
Florida (maybe, maybe Miami but definitely not the rest.
Phoenix/Arizona in general. Ugh. To me, the epitome of what I dislike in modern development.
Texas-just can't identify with the culture. My loss, I know. Austin, maybe.
Suburban Denver. I like the City of Denver, but I find the suburbs as a whole utterly uninpiring.
Most of the MidwestThe south
 

ilikefish0

Cyburbian
Messages
204
Points
9
First off, there seems to be a lot of hatin' on Texas. I must agree. Also, no one sems to like Phoenix--congrats on good taste.

good places to live
New Orleans (it's good to be home)
Kansas City
St. Louis
Chicago (even though it confuses me to no end)
Cleveland
Boston
Baltimore
Cincinnati


So bad they make me want to cry...
Houston
Atlanta
Phoenix
Florida
Alabama
Mississippi
Memphis
Salt Lake City
 

steveanne

Member
Messages
176
Points
7
Top 5
1. Rochester, NY (I would return there in a second if I was financially stable)
2. Boston, MA
3. Chicago, IL (always wanted to live in the city)
4. New York City, NY
5. Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

Bottom 5

5. Anywhere off of Rt. 27 in FL
4. Los Angeles, Anaheim, Orange County, etc.
3. Detroit, MI
2. Chattanooga, TN
1. Macon, GA
 

SlaveToTheGrind

Cyburbian
Messages
1,668
Points
29
My choices in no order:

Top

Minneapolis
Western Montana
Coeur d'Alene
Helsinki, Finland
Seattle
San Diego
Alaska, inside passage
DC
Ashton, Idaho
British Columbia


Bottom

Phoenix
Vegas
LA
Detroit
Miami
Cleveland
North Dakota
Texas
Oklahoma
 

ablarc

Cyburbian Emeritus
Messages
713
Points
20
Tabulation

Here is a tabulation of the results so far:

BIG CITIES
1. New York 17
2. Chicago 16
3. Boston 15
4. Washington 13
Portland, OR 13
6. San Francisco 10
Toronto 10
8. San Diego 9
9. Philadelphia 8
Seattle 8
Vancouver 8
12.Baltimore 5
New Orleans 5
Pittsburgh 5
Minneapolis 5
Austin 5
17.Montreal 4
Miami 4

SMALL CITIES
1. Portland, ME 8
2. Savannah 5
3. Annapolis 4
Charleston 4
Charlottesville 4

FOREIGN CITIES
London 5
Amsterdam 5


No surprises here. Cyburbanites like the same cities that everyone else likes, and the bigger the better.Leave out Pittsburgh, Minneapolis and Austin, and this is also the list of North America’s top tourist cities.

The list also includes all North American cities that have not dissolved into suburbia. Note the absence of USA’s second biggest “city”, Los Angeles, which has.

The small cities are an almost complete list of North America’s few survivors in this category; Quebec is needed to complete the list.

Maybe being interesting is not a guarantee that you have a good city, but it does seem to be the single most important factor making people want to live there. And what seems to make a place interesting is that it is urban, i.e. walkable.
 
Last edited:

Xing500

Cyburbian
Messages
112
Points
6
El Paso is not that bad. I'd live there!

But here are my top 10. (no order)

Miami
Los Angeles
St. Louis
New York City
Washington D.C.
Dallas
New Orleans
Las Vegas
Denver
Philadelphia

Honorable Mention

Detroit
San Francisco
Boston
Atlanta
 
Messages
94
Points
4
My top choices to live would be:

The Southeastern part of the US is good enough for me.

1. Richmond, Va
2. Miami, FL
3. Tampa, FL
4. Washington, DC
5. New Orleans, LA
6. Houston, TX
7. Memphis, TN
8. Charleston, SC
9. Savannah, GA
10. Norfolk, Va

Thanks, but no thanks (in no particular order). I have no desire to live in super cold regions, cities with busted economies, or isloated locations.

1. Buffalo, NY
2. Jackson, MS
3. Anchorage, AK
4. Salt Lake City, UT
5. Las Vegas, NV
7. Fresno, CA
8. Boise, ID
9. Toledo, OH
10. Rochester, NY
 

simulcra

Member
Messages
127
Points
6
I don't think I could come up with a top 10, but here's a list in any way (in no particular order):

the good:

Portland (OR) - I haven't actually been, but I appear to have developped an obsession over the city. I have a slight fear that when I do actually manage to visit, I will be severely disappointed.

Chitown (city proper) - ideally in the loop/lincoln park/south loop/chinatown area. i would've mentioned hyde park or bronzeville if the L access was any better (green line doesn't have a stop for like 2 miles, completely skipping over the IIT-Bronzevill area... almost)

Austin - I'm getting discouraged with the city, but it doesn't change the fact that it seems to be the funkiest and funnest city in Texas (that's not saying too much, though). KEEP AUSTIN WEIRD!!!!

Boston/Cambridge - The city is charming, but I can't shake everything that people keep telling me on how boring it is.

San Francisco - I may end up getting bored with the constant temperature, but it is so much awesomeness.

the bad:

NYC - i'm a bit of a contrarian. it's got the culture and greatness and all, but it's got too much of it. a country this size needs more than one megalopolis (and LA doesn't count).

Seattle - the whole public transit experiment is souring the experience for me, but I love its geography; I just hope it doesn't end up devouring itself.

Dallas - Uptown Dallas has renewed some hope in me with the city, but unfortunately, despite the urbanity and popularity of this area, it's only one neighborhood in a growing swath of sprawl.

Ft. Worth - I plan to visit, but Ft. Worth seems much more alive than Dallas. But it's still DFW.

San Antonio - I vaguely remember anything about it, but I have some hope for it that it doesn't consume itself in sprawl. (Despite the fact that their light rail plan flopped and commuter rail isn't stimulating development.)

the ugly:

Dallas - Aside from Uptown Dallas (and the neighboring Cityplace area), Dallas blows. A dead downtown *cough office park cough with a 25% vacancy cough*, a joke for a night entertainment area (I'm sorry, but after seeing just one BLOCK of chicago, Dallas's Deep Ellum blows chunks), and miles and miles and miles and miles of suburban sprawl. Atleast I-75 has pretty landscaping and design.

LA - I did a megatour thing that involved Las Vegas, LA, SF, some national parks, and LA was a definite low point. Not only was its downtown amazingly sickening (mid-day too), most of it was so unbearable I slept through it.

Phoenix - I saw an aerial of it, and I almost gagged. Eugh!
 

Floridays

Cyburbian
Messages
766
Points
21
mike gurnee said:
Interesting that Atlanta makes the bottom for a majority of us (I agree). Decades ago, it would have been in my top 10. Anyone else had a change of heart over the years due to areas messing themselves up?

I lived & worked (private sector) in Atlanta for a little over a year. It was the longest year of my life. I would NEVER EVER consider a move back. The downtown area (in which I worked) is a nightmare. If you want to deal with transients and low lifes and smelling p*** on the street everywhere you go, then this is the place for you. Traffic is horrible and the people are either mean or snotty. High cost of living. And please tell me any state that REALLY needs to designate 159 counties...
OK...I'm not bitter...really :)
 

ablarc

Cyburbian Emeritus
Messages
713
Points
20
The most popular city in Cyburbia’s poll of favorite places to live is New York, followed closely by Chicago and Boston. Asked the same question by the Harris Poll, Americans came up with a list much more skewed to the sunbelt. San Diego, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Phoenix, Atlanta and Tampa are more highly regarded by Americans in general than by members of this Forum.

harris-poll.jpg
 

Friend of Flavel

Cyburbian
Messages
30
Points
2
Places I've lived and loved or at least liked (No particular order)

Portland - Love: great single-track biking, good coffee, bars, Powell's bookstore, bakeries, Mt. Hood, etc. Also met my husband there. Not so much: hippies, drum jams, banana slugs, Birkenstocks w/ rag wool socks, rain, general mustyness

Minneapolis/St. Paul - live here now. Never would have chosen it, but hubby's from here and it's actually really nice. Clean, decent restaurants, fun nightlife, great art scene (includes theater), fairly progressive (yucky state govt. though). Winter's rotten, but it only lasts 6 months, so what the hell.

Santa Fe, NM (and most NM for that matter)- love the sunshine, architecture, art scene, food, easygoing life. Hate poverty, touristas, wild dogs by the side of the highway, alcoholism.

Chicago - ditto everyone's comments about needing to live in the right neighborhoods.

St. Louis - grew up there. Some beautiful areas, fun parts of town, but I grew up there. You can never go home again.

Places I've visited & would happy to live
Boston
San Francisco
Sonoma, CA
Louisville, KY
Washington, D.C.
Madison, WI
Cape May, NJ
San Luis Obispo, CA
Baltimore - maybe
Memphis, TN

Places I've visited and would never live
Atlanta - gross
Phoenix - yuck
Orlando
Gainesville, FL
Wheeling, WV
Albuquerque - lived there but it's a pit
 

BKM

Cyburbian
Messages
6,461
Points
29
Looking at the BLS Statistics for Job Markets in the US between October 2002 and 2003: the cities we hate (Atlanta, Phoenix, Tampa) etc. are doing swimmingly. The cities we love (Chicago, Boston, SF) lost jobs.

Of course, this is a snapshot in time.
 
Top