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Urban inferiority complexes

benk928

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i prefer panasonic

See, being from Virginia, I never liked considering myself to be from the South, because I was tired of defending it against people who dismiss it due to the various racial issues we've had over the years. But I find things will get South-er the further you get from large cities. I guess that's true anywhere. I thought I detected a few "Southern" accents in rural Connecticut while I was there earlier this month...

-Ben
 
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Originally posted by Dan
Hey, I think you're right and Orlando's quality of life is much better than that in Tampa
I've spent time in both cities on a regular basis for over 20 years and in my opinion, Tampa's quality of life and urban character is light years ahead of Orlando's. My question to you all would be in what way, other than tourism, do you think Orlando is better than Tampa?
 

Zoning Goddess

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lakelander said:
Originally posted by Dan

I've spent time in both cities on a regular basis for over 20 years and in my opinion, Tampa's quality of life and urban character is light years ahead of Orlando's. My question to you all would be in what way, other than tourism, do you think Orlando is better than Tampa?

Ick. Tampa's downtown is so dark and nasty.

I grew up in the Orlando area, so I'm somewhat prejudiced, but I can assure you that I do not think tourism is a plus!
 

BKM

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Does Tampa still have the "African Peoples' Socialist Party" and the Skinheads fighting it out? That's what I remember when I lived in Freakland (downtown Clearwater, FL)
 

jresta

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Philly has this weird inferiority/superiority complex when it comes to New York. It's only 90 miles from City Hall to City Hall and a large swath of NJ gets tv and radio from both cities so there's a necessary rivalry there.

It's not like Philly could ever compare but most philadelphians will say "New York? ugghhh! No thanks!" And when the Giants come to town you will literally get your a** kicked for wearing red and blue. Being a Mets fan isn't good for your health either.

Of course we're better than boston but "we should do this like they do"

DC? a backwater - sprawlville.

Baltimore - our younger stepbrother that we can feel good about kicking around.

The real superiority complex comes from New Yorkers and Pennsylvanians who like to pick on "Jersey." Having grown up there and spending much of my office life in NYC or Philly I've found this comes mostly from:

a)folks from the midwest who've moved in recently and want to feel more "urban" by making NJ jokes

b)people from Long Island and Bucks Co, PA who are very self-conscious about their suburban environments and feel like making fun of NJ will divert attention from it.

and for some reason they can't seem to grasp traffic circles or jug-handles.
 
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Both cities have sprawing suburbs and clogged highways.
Orlando does have a more vibrant downtown than Tampa, however, a better downtown does not mean the city has a higher quality of life. In my opinion, Tampa's diverse collection of urban neighborhoods is the main reason I would put Tampa ahead of Orlando in the quality of life factor. In Tampa you have authentic neighborhoods with their own distinct character like Ybor, Hyde Park, Bayshore, Harbor Island, Tampa Heights, and West Tampa all within 1 mile or so of downtown and the waterfront. While the downtown scene is not as active as Orlando's several projects already under construction or proposed will change that. These include the Cultural Arts district, the streetcar system, urban waterfront parks, and historic warehouse loft projects in the Channel District. Orlando has Thorton Park and thats about the only urban neighborhood near within walking distance of downtown worth mentioning. Most people think Orlando is better because they see theme parks and hotels along I-4 while in Tampa, I-4/I-275 cut right through the most rundown sections of the city. If you want to see what Tampa really has to offer you have to get off the interstate. Most would have a different impression of Orlando if they were forced to drive down OBT instead of near International Drive.

Does Tampa still have the "African Peoples' Socialist Party" and the Skinheads fighting it out?
I don't think these groups are around anymore, actually I've never even heard of them. When did this fight take place?
 
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BKM

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Tampa battles

Oh, it's been a long, long time :)

Back when I was a lowly intern in 1988.

Being the wannabe yuppie that I am/was, I will grant you that Hyde Park was pretty nice. Definitely some of the best bungalows I've seen (comparable to the best out here in California).
 

Mud Princess

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jresta said:
The real superiority complex comes from New Yorkers and Pennsylvanians who like to pick on "Jersey." I've found this comes mostly from:

b)people from Long Island and Bucks Co, PA who are very self-conscious about their suburban environments and feel like making fun of NJ will divert attention from it.

I lived in Bucks Co. many years ago. Hanging around with the "townies," it wasn't NJ we made fun of (especially since it was right across the river), but the tourists. OK, maybe a lot of them were from NJ... or NYC. We liked to bust on the idea that New Hope was so "quaint," etc. Some of my friends would bum for spare change or cigarettes.
 

jresta

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Upper Bucks is really nice. I have to do HPMS work up there every fall so I get to drive all over - i really like it. If the New Hope railroad opened back up i'd consider it.

Lower Bucks on the other hand is hell on wheels.

lakelander said:
I don't think these groups are around anymore, actually I've never even heard of them. When did this fight take place?

well whoever they are - they got nothin' on M.O.V.E.

there's a great song by Atom&His Package (with other hits like "if you own the washington redskins you're a ****") called "Philadelphia - get to know us" in it Atom says:

"yes this is the city of brotherly love . . . and crime. And we only bombed our own city once. One time."

How's that for city pride!?
 
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Zoning Goddess

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lakelander said:
Both cities have sprawing suburbs and clogged highways.
Orlando does have a more vibrant downtown than Tampa, however, a better downtown does not mean the city has a higher quality of life. In my opinion, Tampa's diverse collection of urban neighborhoods is the main reason I would put Tampa ahead of Orlando in the quality of life factor. ... Most would have a different impression of Orlando if they were forced to drive down OBT instead of near International Drive.

Yes, but Orlando doesn't have Joe Redner and his houses of babes, which clearly win over OBT.

Lakelander, I think we must agree to disagree, and band together as Florida planners. Do you work for Polk Co., or one of the cities?
 

Trail Nazi

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Tampa does have some nice neighborhoods, but so does Orlando. Personally, I am partial to Orlando for its quality of life, but love the neighborhoods and historic architecture of Tampa.

Why is this always an argument about which town is better? Let's just face it, they are both unique and you are either going to like one or the other, but never both equally. It is the same agrument with Savannah or Charleston. I agree with ZG, unite together as Florida planners.
 

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Inferiority Complexes???

What is this inferiority complex you speak of?

I'm from South Carolina where we're all raised with the mass delusion that we're inferior to no one.
 

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Everyone feels inferior to Portland. Well, at least that's the way Planning Magazine presents it...

I guess you don't get Doonesbury up North. Between chopping days off the school year to balance budgets and some of the highest unemployment in the nation we've developed quite an inferiority complex----to the Portland we were 10 years ago!

In my former home of Richmond many maintain a sneaking amount of jealousy for Charlotte's success, but the bottom line was often a limited interest in ideas that hadn't been done elsewhere---e.g festival marketplace in the 80s, a canal/river walk in the 90s---and been featured in Planning Magazine of course.

The sort of Best Cities Rankings you see in magazines feed this kind of inferiority complex. I wouldn't see it as jealousy of your neighbor/competitor per se but as a lack of confidence in the ability to come up with an original idea and see it through.
 
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Yes, but Orlando doesn't have Joe Redner and his houses of babes, which clearly win over OBT.

Lakelander, I think we must agree to disagree, and band together as Florida planners. Do you work for Polk Co., or one of the cities?

Right now I work for an architectural firm in Lakeland. I'm also a part of high skilled committee that is trying to enhance Lakeland's overall image. However, I'm seriously considering relocating to Tampa, Orlando, Atlanta, or Richmond, Va by the end of the year.
 

BKM

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Has anyone ever been in Charleston, West Virginia?

The City looks like a textbook of questionable Urban Land Institute/Planning Magazine "latest cool concepts" come to life. I mean, you had the pedestrianized main street, the downtown mall, the hulking convention center, the little cluster of faux-neo traditional townhouses.

It was an amazing place-I wonder what it looks like today :)
 

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BKM said:
Does Tampa still have the "African Peoples' Socialist Party" and the Skinheads fighting it out? That's what I remember when I lived in Freakland (downtown Clearwater, FL)

They're most vocal in St. Petersburg. They are headquartered here, if I'm not mistaken. They were real active at the time of the racial unrest back in '95. (That was here in St. Petersburg, too, unfortunately.)

I think if you take the Tampa Bay area as a whole (Tampa/St. Pete/Clearwater), it offers more than Orlando as far as cultural diversity, urban character, and a more diversified economy. Orlando, while more visually appealing, is a big, "empty" city to me. It has no soul of its own. It's completely defined by the tourists, and not the residents. I guess I'm partly biased, because I grew up in St. Petersburg, but I'd choose this area over Orlando.

Speaking of inferiority complexes, there has always been somewhat of a rivalry with Tampa and St. Pete. The two cities only differ by maybe 50,000 in population. I guess because Tampa has the namesake of the entire metro area, it gets all the recognition, with St. Pete always working to develop it's own identity. Neither city would be what it is without the other, IMO. Now , I think, the cities are starting to realize that each plays a distinct role in the area, and there is a push for regional unity to advertise the area as a whole as opposed to individual cities.

That's it on Tampa Bay.

I think every majo city in the SE, except Miami, feels (in one way or another) inferior to Atlanta, and Atlanta is looking to be mentioned in the same sentence as NYC, Chicago and LA.
 

JNA

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from BKM:
has anyone ever been in Charleston, WV?

is this close enough - driven through only on I-64
 
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