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US Presidential Primaries

Seabishop

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I can’t help but notice every few years that our system for presidential primaries in the US sucks. Why Iowa? Why New Hampshire? If one big primary election is too large, why not start off with a primary in a few states that vary in demographics?


By the way, I’m going to act out a debate for you:

“Bush stole the election”

“No, he didn't”

There, we've covered that topic so no need to dwell on it now.


How can we improve the primaries?
 

Gedunker

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You raise good points Seabishop: Indiana's primary is so late that the whole thing has played out by the time it gets around to us. There's no talk here of joining "Super Tuesday" or whatever moniker the media have given it.

It's particularly frustrating to me because we elect our School Board (read: 58% of property taxes) during primaries. The low turnouts (at best 14%) skew the results and allow for all manner of manipulations.

Maybe voting, like military service, should be compulsory...
 

GeogPlanner

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Gedunker said:
Maybe voting, like military service, should be compulsory...
ehh...then we'd have just a lot of uninformed people voting. american values are non-existant. people don't care unless its thier money that is being talked about. that's why school board elections do well. perhaps everytime there is an election, there should be a ballot vote to raise taxes 50% unless people vote no. then you'd get turn out, and if no one shows, you can start to get those travel reqests approved with all that cash.

EDIT: critical tyop
 

Richmond Jake

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Gedunker said:
....Maybe voting, like military service, should be compulsory...
I agree with GeogPlanner, I don't want the "under"-informed voting.
 

Dan

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el Guapo said:
Motor Voter - Decoded: Welfare Voter Further Decoded: Democrat Voter
Well, write to your elected officials and demand a gun purchase voter bill ("Would you like some ammunition? Would you like to register to vote?"), a hunting license voter bill, and a Baptist church voter bill ("The little Baby Jesus cries when he thinks of modern-day SodomitesI! We will now pass the collection plates. Please take a voter registration card.")

:D
 

el Guapo

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Dan said:
Well, write to your elected officials and demand a gun purchase voter bill ("Would you like some ammunition? Would you like to register to vote?"), a hunting license voter bill, and a Baptist church voter bill ("The little Baby Jesus cries when he thinks of modern-day SodomitesI! We will now pass the collection plates. Please take a voter registration card.")

:D
That is a great idea. Thanks
 

otterpop

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Gedunker said:
Maybe voting, like military service, should be compulsory...
Ocassionally we hear the cry to make voting registration and voting easier. I say, let's not. We need safeguards to protect elections from voter fraud.

If registering to vote is so difficult, and going down to your polling place to vote or vote absentee is so onerous a task, then you really aren't dedicated enough to the democratic process to be involved. Stay home and bitch about government, but leave voting to those of us who are willing to make an effort.

Just today in a public hearing someone made the point that a minority of the people voted in the county commissioner's election and the majority of the people were "unrepresented." That is BS. They are represented. They are represented by the commissioners and other officials the good citizens chose.

Most adults in the United States get to make a choice on Election Day. You can chose to vote for your candidate, or you can chose to cast a non-vote by not getting off your ass and getting involved.

For years my mom was an election commissioner in my precinct. Not voting really wasn't much of an option for me. She didn't care how I voted. She knew we did not see eye-to-eye politically. But she expected me to show up and do my civic duty. One of the many lessons she gave me and one of the few that stuck. Thanks for that, Mom.
 

BKM

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I am quite skeptical of the bleats that voting is so difficult. If it is important to you, you will find a way. If you are a single mother with a kid, take the kid along. If you are illiterate, ask your neighbor where the polling place is located.

Maybe that is unsympathetic, but...
 

Chet

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GeogPlanner said:
ehh...then we'd have just a lot of uninformed people voting.
UMMM did you check out the 2000 results? Look at all the idiots (sorry idiots) that voted GREEN PARTY and altered their electoral future. They will (hopefully not) think twice before doing that again....
 

Rumpy Tunanator

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Nader Won't Run As Green Party Candidate

Chet said:
UMMM did you check out the 2000 results? Look at all the idiots (sorry idiots) that voted GREEN PARTY and altered their electoral future. They will (hopefully not) think twice before doing that again....
Whats was wrong with the idiots voting for the socialist Green Party? Although the percentage was small in the total votes casted, I think it tells you that a small percentage are sick of the 2 party system. Face it, it was two idiots running for the presidential election from the democratic and republican parties in 2000 and it will likely be the same in 2004. I just wish there was a good Independent canidate running in 2004 (not you Nader, stay home).

http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news...053941312.htm&sc=1131&photoid=20021007NYET258

Nader, whom some Democrats blame for pulling decisive votes away from Al Gore, told Green Party officials Monday that he did not want their nomination. He plans to announce by January whether he will run as an independent - a possibility that some in the Green Party are already trying to shoot down.
 

GeogPlanner

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Chet said:
UMMM did you check out the 2000 results? Look at all the idiots (sorry idiots) that voted GREEN PARTY and altered their electoral future. They will (hopefully not) think twice before doing that again....
it may sound very idealistic, but i respect those who voted Green with confidence b/c they were probably doing so with some thought that being just some party Automaton.

that said, i do tow my party line b/c that's where my beliefs are centered. but i don't think anyone should be an uniformed voter.
 

gkmo62u

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The real issue at hand goes back to seabishop's point:

A very small number of people from Iowa and New Hamshire are perceived as choosing the candidates for President by early March, well before Super Tuesday or before other states get their say.

Of course a great deal of this has to do with the press making the primaries a horse race.

This happens to both parties.

Not sure how to fix it.
 

Chet

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Re: Nader Won't Run As Green Party Candidate

Rumpy Tunanator said:
Whats was wrong with the idiots voting for the socialist Green Party?
IMHO nothing. They clinched it for the conservatives. Thank you cards were promptly mailed from Chet's home :)
 

Jeff

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el Guapo said:
Motor Voter - Decoded: Welfare Voter - Further Decoded: Democrat Voter
You should get a job in one of those elusive "Washington Think Tanks" I think you alone could solve alot of the world's problems. EG ... quite easily the most intelligent person I know, and so articulate too.
 

GeogPlanner

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gkmo62u said:
A very small number of people from Iowa and New Hamshire are perceived as choosing the candidates for President by early March, well before Super Tuesday or before other states get their say.
it's just a media event. iowa and nh mean nothing to me in terms of primaries. you'd have to somehow extract the media to fix it.
 

NHPlanner

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As one of the few that seem to set the field, I've always thought it strange that NH get first crack at the primaries.....unfair to an extent.....but an honor at the same time.
 
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