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Why Does Metallica Suck ??

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I was just listening to some live Metallica from the late 80s and the stuff was awesome. Then I think of the stuff that they have released over the past 14 years and it all sucks. Why?

Ever since MTV got ahold of them they suck.
 

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I agree....everything since ...And Justice for All has been very disappointing. I kazaa'ed some of the new stuff from St. Anger, and I'm already set to delete them from my hard drive...

Just to make my drive to Maine this weekend easier, I burned a CD mix with a couple of good Metallica songs (The Four Horsemen and Whiplash) to remind me that they used to be good...
 

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Chet said:
Ever since they cut their hair they've suked
Agree that made them suck more, but they started sucking before that.

I listened to them in the mid 80’s when I was a young skate rat in the ATL and thought they were so cool. But by the late 80’s they got weak, I thinks it started with And Justice for All, as NHPlanner said.

Side note: thank god I grew out of that phase :)
 

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The worst thing about Metallica, I think, is that they made themselves the poster boys for the music industry's crusade against music downloaders. But, I'll agree with anyone that their music hasn't been any good since the late 80s, early 90s.
 

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I must be really out of it.

I never knew Metallica was ever good.

;)
 

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Mike D. said:
I was just listening to some live Metallica from the late 80s and the stuff was awesome. Then I think of the stuff that they have released over the past 14 years and it all sucks. Why?

...er...lack of musical talent?
 

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My friend and I have recently been e-mailing back and forth about how Metallica sucks and their new album, loved by many critics, sucks real bad. Read reviews in Rolling Stone, Spin, and Entertainment Weekly and you would think that Metallica has just released the best album since the Beatles "Rubber Soul"

The problem with Metallica now is that they have simply run out of ideas and energy. They are simply copying all of these nu-metal bands that they likely inspired in the 80s. The new cd is a piece of crap. No wonder they don't want anyone downloading their songs - if people heard this grabage there is no way they would ever pay 15 bucks for a CD.

It all began when they broke their promise to never make videos and did one for "One." Then they did a few on the Black album, and soon became MTV darlings. They seemed to change their sound (and James began to sing insead of bark ) to become more mainstream and to rake in the $$$.

I was listening to "...And Justice for All" when I went to lunch today and that album is incredible...its been all downhill since then. It is to the point where they have been crappy longer than they were good.

Here is the one review that counts:

http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/m/metallica/st-anger.shtml
 

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I've never liked mettalica... oh well if the fans say the got worse, I don't care much! :p
 

Jeff

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Last week after telling off the guy that told me to buy St Anger because it was great, I put it on at work.

If you forget that you are listening to Metallica, it isn't that bad. But if you remember, even for a minute, that it's Metallica, you're like, this sucks. There isn't one Kirk Hammet solo on there is there?
 

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Beginning of the End

Some think the death of Cliff would bring Metallica down. But in my opinion, once they broke their oath to not release a music video, this was the beginning of the end. The ... And Justice for All album and tour was incredible. The self titled album in black had a couple of O.K. songs, but you could tell the edge was coming off. Maybe they're just getting old. In my car right now is a tape of Kill em All on side A and part of B and the following songs on the rest of B, Creeping Death, Blitzkrieg, Breadfan, Am I Evil and Crash Course in Brain Surgery. Breadfan and Crash Course were both originally recorded by Budgie, hence my name.

When they bury me, Orion will be playing in the background. It's in my will.
 

Jessie-J

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i think that happens to a lot of bands. Red Hot Chili Peppers used to be good, now they're not. My theory is that it has a lot to do with the pressure that the band is faced in producing albums. They become less selective and creative just so that they have something to show for their deadlines.

I think when one of the members of the band goes solo, they solo-er isn't so hot usually. Smashing Pumpkins- Billy Corgan, Janes Addiction- Porno for Pyros.
 

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Greenescapist said:
The worst thing about Metallica, I think, is that they made themselves the poster boys for the music industry's crusade against music downloaders. But, I'll agree with anyone that their music hasn't been any good since the late 80s, early 90s.
Hiding behind Napster to cover up for their lack of record sales- they needed a clue in- they download it because no one would waste money buying that crap!
 

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I agree with Jessie-J,RHCP used to be awesome.

I think that Blood, Sugar, Sex, Magik was the equavilent to Metallica's "Black" album. It has some good songs, but there was some crap like "Under The Bridge" on there that didn't sound anything like their previous stuff.

Maybe it has something to do with band members dying..
 

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Re: Beginning of the End

Budgie said:
Some think the death of Cliff would bring Metallica down. But in my opinion, once they broke their oath to not release a music video, this was the beginning of the end. The ... And Justice for All album and tour was incredible. The self titled album in black had a couple of O.K. songs, but you could tell the edge was coming off. Maybe they're just getting old. In my car right now is a tape of Kill em All on side A and part of B and the following songs on the rest of B, Creeping Death, Blitzkrieg, Breadfan, Am I Evil and Crash Course in Brain Surgery. Breadfan and Crash Course were both originally recorded by Budgie, hence my name.

When they bury me, Orion will be playing in the background. It's in my will.

You lost me with the whole Segway on the sidewalk thing, but I think I have a new found respect for you.
 

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Mike Respects me, my life is not in vain.

Mike D:

I'm a 32 year old eccentric. I drink stout. I don't own a television (which freaked out the cable guy the other day), I read classic Russian literature. Worship Cliff. Listen to Sabbath, Primus and Mr. Bungle. Use a Segway. Listen to baseball on the radio. Think Conan the Barbarian and Clockwork Orange are the two greatest movies ever. I'm on the brink of hermitdom. Is Kazinsky's (spelling) room for rent? Long live Gwar.

Do you respect me more now?
 
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Re: Mike Respects me, my life is not in vain.

Budgie said:
Mike D:

I'm a 32 year old eccentric. I drink stout. I don't own a television (which freaked out the cable guy the other day), I read classic Russian literature. Worship Cliff. Listen to Sabbath, Primus and Mr. Bungle. Use a Segway. Listen to baseball on the radio. Think Conan the Barbarian and Clockwork Orange are the two greatest movies ever. I'm on the brink of hermitdom. Is Kazinsky's (spelling) room for rent? Long live Gwar.

Do you respect me more now?
OMG. Budgie, except for the age and segway thing, I would swear you are my ex-boyfriend. Mr. Bungle was his favorite band and their t-shirt was his most treasured possession.
 

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THIS IS NO JOKE !!! REDRUM, REDRUM !!! I am Raskolnikov.

I guess this is what happens when you are an american raised in Europe on "The Young Ones" and left to your vices in SoHo.
 

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Re: Re: Mike Respects me, my life is not in vain.

Downtown said:
OMG. Budgie, except for the age and segway thing, I would swear you are my ex-boyfriend. Mr. Bungle was his favorite band and their t-shirt was his most treasured possession.
He must have been a very nice guy. If you don't mind me asking, why is he your ex? Maybe I am your ex?
 

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Mr. Bungle is a very strange phenomenon. I don't know a lot of people who like them, but those who do absolutley LOVE them.

This thread got me thinking about when bands "Jumped The Shark." (This could almost be a thread by itself)

Metallica - The "One" video
RHCP - Under the Bridge
Anthrax - When they replaced Joey Belladona with John Bush
Van Halen - Seems like there could be 3 times 1) When they added the synthesizers for "1984" 2) When they kicked out David Lee Roth or 3) When they kicked out Sammy Hagar.
 

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Budgie is the man !

I still can't get over the whole Orien thing. Its really in your will?

Anyway, since someone removed my "All Praise to Budgie" thread here's a shout out to the Budge Man, sidewalk terrorist and former Downtown Boyfriend.
 

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Mike D. said:
Anyway, since someone removed my "All Praise to Budgie" thread here's a shout out to the Budge Man, sidewalk terrorist and former Downtown Boyfriend.
Check again Mike....look in "Introduce Yourself"
 

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Long Live Gwar?

ROTFLMAO!

I thought I was strange for not having a cable connection! Except for the Segway, you rock!
 

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Re: Mike Respects me, my life is not in vain.

Budgie said:
Mike D:

I'm a 32 year old eccentric. I drink stout. I don't own a television (which freaked out the cable guy the other day), I read classic Russian literature. Worship Cliff. Listen to Sabbath, Primus and Mr. Bungle. Use a Segway. Listen to baseball on the radio. Think Conan the Barbarian and Clockwork Orange are the two greatest movies ever. I'm on the brink of hermitdom. Is Kazinsky's (spelling) room for rent? Long live Gwar.

Do you respect me more now?
We could have a new contest here, "who's the most eccentric Cyburbanite." I have a feeling you'd get a run for your money!

Anyone who reads Russian lit is a great person in my book. (even if you do own a Segway).
 

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I am Humbert Humbert.

You wouldn't know it if you met me. Ask EG (a.k.a. El Guapo).
 

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Re: ?

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I am Humbert Humbert.

You wouldn't know it if you met me. Ask EG (a.k.a. El Guapo).
You would've impressed me more if you claimed to be Quilty. He's arguably more evil, after all.
 

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Impress?

I'm not trying to impress, I being honest. Isn't there a little Humbert in every male?

Have you every split your scalp while thrashing to Damage, Inc.?
 

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Re: Impress?

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I'm not trying to impress, I being honest. Isn't there a little Humbert in every male?

Have you every split your scalp while thrashing to Damage, Inc.?
Yeah, I didn't mean "impress" - whatever. What is Damage, Inc anyway? A hardcore band?
 

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Damage, Inc.

IMO, the greatest Metallica song of all time. Last song, Side B, Master of Puppets.
 

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Re: Damage, Inc.

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IMO, the greatest Metallica song of all time. Last song, Side B, Master of Puppets.
Great song, I still like The Four Horsemen better.
 

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Best Song

This conversation could go on forever. Maybe we need a Top 10 list. Some of Metallica's best songs are covers, so we should limit it to those written by Metallica, except those where Dave Mustaine was involved. The Four Horseman would be out, because it was co-wrote with Dave Mustaine before Kirk Hamster came on-board. Of course, Dave Mustaine used the Four Horseman on Megadeth's first album, except it was titled Mechanix. The lyrics are different. Or was it Seek and Destroy?
 

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Has anyone every noticed that the guitar into to Fade to Black sounds just like the intro to Children of the Damned by Iron Maiden. Check it out. REDRUM !!!!
 

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Re: Best Song

Budgie said:
Of course, Dave Mustaine used the Four Horseman on Megadeth's first album, except it was titled Mechanix. The lyrics are different. Or was it Seek and Destroy?
I believe it was seek and destroy...nope...just Kazza'ed it, it is Four Horsemen....

I don't have a problem with Mustaine...since I like a lot of the early Megadeth stuff too.

If I had to pick a favorite, I'd probably go with the cover of Am I Evil
 

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Am I Evil, UHHH YES !!!

I have the original Diamond Head version on vinyl. Am I Evil is definitely their best cover.
 

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Budgie - I don't think that excluding Dave Mustane songs is necessary because they were written as Metallica. Other songs like Last Caress (Misfits), were written and recorded by other bands.

With that being said:

10. Leper Messiah
9. Fade To Black
8. Battery
7. Seek And Destroy
6. Frayed Ends of Sanity
5. Four Horsemen
4. ...And Justice For All
3. Creeping Death
2. Damage, Inc.
1. Master of Puppets

Yeah, its heavy on the Master of Puppets album, but that one is my fave.
 

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Another thing I don't like about Metallica.....

They butchered the covers of my favorite band....The Misfits. Or maybe I just can't get used to Hetfield trying to hit the notes that Danzig could.
 

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If we're goint to compare top 10's....

I'm not excluding covers or instrumentals....

10. Seek and Destroy
9. Metal Militia
8. Battery
7. Sanitarium
6. Disposable Heroes
5. Fade to Black
4. To Live is to Die
3. Creeping Death
2. Four Horsemen
1. Am I Evil
 

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#1 Disposable Heroes

I can't even begin to compile a top 10 list though. Let me get back to you. Anyone want Metallica tix for next week in Philly. I have 2 and don't even want to go they suck so bad now.
 

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A Revelation!

All this talk about classic Metallica brought back a ton of high school memories...I just had to dig out my old bootlegged cassette tapes and subject my wife to them last night.

I had always thought that I had just outgrown Metallic...but no - it's not me. It's them. They really do suck now - but their old stuff is just amazing.

Dammit, now I have to go buy some CDs...
 

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You want my tickets for next week?

I'm in the process of trying to trade awesome Metallica seats for lawn seats to Dave Matthews, how pathetic has this band become that I can't even trade for lawn seats?
 

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I got into Metalica kinda late, but the black album was my personal "Metalica High Water Mark". I still listen to that, and it was after that point that Metalica started to suck.

Sad But True. That's my favorite.
 

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My Top 10

Am I Evil
Damage, Inc.
Seek and Destroy
Breadfan
For Whom the Bell Tolls
Sanitarium
Four Horseman
Eye of the Beholder
Master of Puppets
Whiplash
 

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My 10 I think?

Here goes ....

In no particular order after the top 5....

Disposable Heroes
To Live is to die
Call of Ktulu
Orion
...and Justice
Am I evil
4 Horse
Master
Bell Tolls
Whiplash


Oh....and Coragus. I know you're new here so I'll let it slide. But we do not refer to the "Black Album" around these parts. If anything, we refer to it as being crucial to the beginning of the end.

Thanks for playing!
 

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Oxymoron

Isn't "instant classic" an oxymoron. In order to be a classic doesn't it have to withstand the test of time, therefore it couldn't be instantly anything?
 

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If someone told me months ago that Metallica was going to release a lo-fi, aggressive album I would have expected something a lot better than St. Anger (from the 4 or so songs I've heard anyway). They just missed the mark and that snare sound is so annoying.

Bob Rock, the producer who also did hte black album is not the guy to turn to for a stripped down sound. This is the guy who produced hit albums for bands like Motley Crue and Bon Jovi. When Metallica recruited him in 1991 and started with the big budget videos it everyone should have ran away.

Still I prefer this to the radio friendly stuff they've been putting out for the past 10 years.


p.s. Has anybody here heard Apocolyptica?
 

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Re: Oxymoron

Budgie said:
Isn't "instant classic" an oxymoron. In order to be a classic doesn't it have to withstand the test of time, therefore it couldn't be instantly anything?
Exactly!

That song sucked. Dumb when Bob Seger did it, dumber when Craptallica did it.
 

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Repo Man said:
It all began when they broke their promise to never make videos and did one for "One."
If I remember from debates with my friends in gym class, they just HAD to make that video because of its political message. ;) A few years later their videos featured scenes of trucks smashing into chairs.
 

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Re: A Revelation!

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...I just had to dig out my old bootlegged cassette tapes and subject my wife to them last night.
Isn't your wife too young to remember Metallica when they were good? ;)
 
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