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Why Michigan is going to hell #1

Chet

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The International Dark Sky Society is going to have a field day with that.
 

ecofem

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Dude.

At least the City of Jacksonville's Super Bowl 2005 planners have not proposed that. At least I don't think they have...
 

Wannaplan?

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jordanb said:
So,
Casinos: Check.
Gaudiness: Check.

All they need now is legal prostitution and drive through weddings and they'll be all set!
I've worked in the City of Detroit. Actually partied and hung out with friends there, too. Lots to do, and plenty of the gritty urban vibe to go around. What will the lights do? Nothing much, except to act as a beacon for the suburbanites who come downtown to play. I think it's a wonderful thing and don't see how it will be gaudy. I don't take conceptual image renderings as reality - those lights could very well be something of an awe-inspring spectacle. I say to Mayor Kwame Kilpatrick, "Bravo!"

By the way, thanks for posting that link - fantastic news!



 

BKM

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I'm not so sure this is all that bad a thing either. I mean, the old chestnut "Bright Lights, BIg City" still applies.

The City of Montreal did a comprehensive lighting program for Vieux Montreal. Much more subtle and "sophisticated," but still kinda neat. There used to be a great gallery of photos on urbanphoto.org, but they had problems with their site and domain name.
 

jordanb

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If they lost the spotlights and toned down the colors a bit I think it wouldn't be as bad. Still, I hate the way Shanghi looks because it's a bunch of cheap postmodernism.

I can't believe Detroit would want to clad its beautiful art-deco buildings in neon ugliness. There has to be a tasteful way to brighten them up.
 

Chet

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jordanb said:
I can't believe Detroit would want to clad its beautiful art-deco buildings in neon ugliness. There has to be a tasteful way to brighten them up.
Since most of them are empty, I believe its called a "bulldozer".
 

Cardinal

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My first reaction was to think it was awful, but Alan got me thinking. The view from my room the last few nights was of the Wrigley Building - all lit up with birght spotlights. It is beautiful (and I'll be posting a picture soon). OK, I'll wait until I see it before making the call.
 

LouisvilleSlugger

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Michael Stumpf said:
My first reaction was to think it was awful, but Alan got me thinking. The view from my room the last few nights was of the Wrigley Building - all lit up with birght spotlights. It is beautiful (and I'll be posting a picture soon). OK, I'll wait until I see it before making the call.
wow, I would love to see that pic!!! sounds really gorgeous. I love the Wrigley Building..it's a marvel.

[Mod Note] Slight edit to protect a cyburbanite ID [/Mod Note]
 
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Dan

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jordanb said:
I can't believe Detroit would want to clad its beautiful art-deco buildings in neon ugliness. There has to be a tasteful way to brighten them up.
Sadly, desperate times call for desperate measures. It costs far less to throw up some spotlights and lasters than renovating abandoned buildings like the Book-Cadillac.

Detroit is grasping at straws, and taking a lesson from places like Times Square and Las Vegas, it thinks that inviting lighting can draw people to downtown like moths to a flame. Now, they just have to do something at street level to keep the moths fluttering around.
 

Bangorian

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jordanb said:
I can't believe Detroit would want to clad its beautiful art-deco buildings in neon ugliness. There has to be a tasteful way to brighten them up.
Buildings? In Detroit? You mean to say that there are some left standing?

Why is Michigan going to hell? GM. If you need elaboration, you might need to rent "Roger and Me" again. Flint's story is not unique among Michigan towns, but it has been hit the hardest of them all. Thank God for NAFTA!
 

BKM

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Thank God for NAFTA!
And all the high tech and software jobs that were supposed to replace our industrial base?-India and China, Baby.

Welcome the great deflationary collapse of the 2000s!
 

plankton

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A Detroit city worker stumbles across a dead guy on Beaubien Street and calls 9-1-1. The operator asks him to spell "Beaubien". He tries and then says, "hold on - I'm gonna drag him to Grand."

Just one of many tasteless Detroit jokes that I learned growing up there.

Not sure what to think of the whole lights idea. Portable spotlights are used quite a bit there (Fox Theatre, DIA, etc.) and it probably is a good thing that they're trying new things to garner support for redevelopment in the area, but lights...??

Go 'Stones! Darko is the man!

Wings to the cup in '04.

Lions & Tigers ....uh.....uh.....
 

JNA

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appears to be an electric and lighting industry promotion/sponorship?
 
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chriswerner_1

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detroit

In a city like Detriot.... you gotta do whatever you can.

But really, when done in moderation, lighting really makes a difference. I lived in Windsor for a season and have ventured in to "D-town" a number of times (despite all the cautions otherwise) Detroit at one time was the third largest city in the US and it's excellent downtown building (although empty) are an excellent reminder of that. I think that downtown Detroit has made great strides and improved vastly over the last decade.

The view from Windsor is quite nice now with the minimal amount of lighting that currently exists. The Casino Windsor lights the sky with 4 spotlights every single night of the year, and on occasion a few spotlights can be seen eminating from Detroit presumably from either the casino or Fox Theatre. (is theatre spelled differently in American?) Anyway... Montreal does a great job with their lighting. Even in my own mid-size city of 350k, we light up several building including an old art deco post office. Some of the office buildings keep all their lights on until midnight and others turn out at 6. It might be wasteful... but it ambient and attracts people to move here.
Good luck Detroit.
 

Wannaplan?

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More plans for lights in Detroit:

Will the real Detroit skyline please stand up?

Planners' Super Bowl '06 vision: A city that's inviting after dark


The final product made Detroit's lonely blocks look as Super Bowl-worthy as busy Houston.

"We want to do the same thing, put our best foot forward and turn on all the lights we can," said Michelle Fusco, a spokeswoman for the Detroit Metro Convention and Visitors Bureau, which helped staff the Detroit booth.

Fusco said the touch-up was simply a good marketing effort.

"It is a picture of the Detroit we hope to show in 2006," she said.

"We're really pleased with the efforts that we put forth in Houston."

Beyond marketing, the virtual neighborhood's creation seems to touch upon the decades-old anxiety many metro Detroiters sense about their battered city when it ventures into the national limelight.

http://www.freep.com/news/locway/super10_20040210.htm

The fantasy/reality can be seen on a PDF at http://www.freep.com/pdf/2004/02/10/super_skyline.pdf, 621 kb.
 

mendelman

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Detroit Bureau of Tourism speaking to itself:

"Let's make a silly, partial lie marketing campaign that make people, who have never been to Detroit, let alone the Brush Park neighborhood, think this area of the city is vibrant and hopping. It isn't really a lie because be expect this picture to be reality in 2 years :-\ ^o)

Man this place is just gasping for air, IMO.
 

otterpop

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Personally, I like dark. The Grand Plan of this planet is that as the Earth turns on its axis and a complete revolution is a "day". Part of that day one side of the Earth is pointed away from the Sun and we have "night". Night is rather nice. It is dark and more quiet. You can see stars and most night you see the moon. You can lean back or lie back and looks towards other stars and worlds. I feel more in touch with the universe and the Earth at night than I do at day. Preserve the night. Save energy. Light pollution sucks.
 
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