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Working with the public

michaelskis

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I am currently working on a neighborhood revitalization project which includes new sidewalks, curbs, street trees, and pedestrian scale lighting. We plan on removing all the sidewalks and re-grading the area, and using concrete to repave the whole section. But there are a few (limited) sections of slate sidewalks, which are not in all that great of condition now, and the historic preservation specialist and a few home owners in the area are in an up-rise about this. Does anyone have any suggestions on how to get them on board, or a compromise (such as having the home owner pay for the resetting of the slate after it is graded). Any help would be appreciated.
 

el Guapo

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I went to an awesome class hosted by a husband and wife team. I imagine it was expensive - My State DOT paid for it. - but this guy was the messiah of gaining public consent for governmental actions. He had an awe inspiring insight into the human brain and how the meta-public mind works. Had he ask me to fight off the ATF in a compund in Texas I'd have ask "where's the ammo." ;)

Try www.consentbuilding.com

Has anyone else taken his courses? He has been teaching the same material for years.
 

Repo Man

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Is there any way that you could re-use the slate and incorporate it into the sidewalk design? Maybe use it like cities use brick pavers? Put some at corners or intersections or use it as a sidewalk edge decoration? It seems like it is somthing unique that you may want to preserve if possible.
 

Cardinal

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I've run into somewhat similar issues. While it may be necessary or just desireable to re-grade the street, the sidewalks do not necessarily have to hold th same grade. Can the sidewalk grading be altered to preserve those portions of slate sidewalk?
 
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Does the slate add to the overall character of the neighborhood (or the sidewalks) or have any historical significance? It seems to me that if the sections are that limited and are in that bad of shape, there's no real point in attempting to save them. However, I agree with jfortin that the slate can used like pavers and/or installed at sidewalk corners. Perhaps they can also be installed near or at the bases of the street trees.
 

biscuit

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michaelskis said:
...(such as having the home owner pay for the resetting of the slate after it is graded). Any help would be appreciated.
Re-use it if possible. I'm guessing that Reading doesn't have the funds to replace all the slate in the neighborhood so one option is to work out a comprimise for some re-use and then allow the neighborhood preservation groups or individual home owners pay for the re-setting. I don't know how it works there but here, if I'm not mistaken, homeowners are responsible for the upkeep of sidewalks in front of their houses and in our historic neighborhoods most have choosen to go with surfaces other than concrete. Usually either brick or slate.
 

michaelskis

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Here, it IS the home owners’ responsibility for maintain and replacing the sidewalks. As it is, because we are a built environment, the home owners property line, stops at the street, and the public right of way (sidewalk) is actually part of there property. So normally, the property owner would need to pay out of there pocket to make such improvements. But with this program that we are offering, we are willing to front the bill.

We have sent out a letter and permission form to allow us to make the streetscape improvements, and for those who say no, we are going to work with them and explain that if after grading his sidewalks are significantly different, that they would be responsible to correct the problem. As for the slate issue, we are going to see what we do have for slate removed; we are going to see about offering it to the home owners for other improvements such as walk ways behind there houses. But the big thing is we are going to make sure that we work with the home owners every step of the way, and let them have allot of say on what goes, what says, and what changes will need to be made.
 
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