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WWJD?

Seabishop

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Good quote:

"His comments really feed into the media critique of Christian conservatives, that they are not sophisticated, they don't care about others, all they care about are Christians around the world -- when in fact that is a caricature of the faith-based human rights movement," Hertzke said
 

Suburb Repairman

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This guy really makes Christians look bad. I can't believe he would prefer to keep a leader convicted of despicable crimes against his own people simply because he was Christian. This man does not speak for all Christians. Personally, I would like to see religious leaders stop acting like they know foreign policy.
 

SkeLeton

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hmmm, I wonder if Robertson would have been supportive of Pinochet if he had some investments on Chilean copper, and would have probably ranted that Pinochet saved Chile from those evil godless Coummunists!

Now...not that I ever had any respect to televangelists.. but he did manage to sink his image even more.
 

biscuit

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Suburb Repairman said:
This guy really makes Christians look bad. I can't believe he would prefer to keep a leader convicted of despicable crimes against his own people simply because he was Christian. This man does not speak for all Christians. Personally, I would like to see religious leaders stop acting like they know foreign policy.
You've summed-up my thoughts on the matter exactly. Robertson and a lot of others have saddly forgoten that one of the oldest and biggest Baptist traditions is the strict seperation of church and state. Ticks me off to no end.
 

LouisvilleSlugger

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biscuit said:
Probably smack the crap out of Pat Robertson. Yet another reason why I loath the man...he really must be some kind of sociopath.

Pat Robertson Loves Liberia
wow, again! you would think he would have learned his lesson from all the other crazy stuff he's said. interesting how he has an interest in Liberia, too! he's out of control...
 

Dan

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biscuit said:
You've summed-up my thoughts on the matter exactly. Robertson and a lot of others have saddly forgoten that one of the oldest and biggest Baptist traditions is the strict seperation of church and state. Ticks me off to no end.
Something he also forget yeasterday, when he called for a "prayer offensive" to get three Supreme Court justices to retire so they can be replaced by conservatives.

Shouldn't a "Christian" be praying for the health and well-being of those justices? Shouldn't he be praying for God to give them wisdom and clarity of mind?

Does Pat Robertson think that God is a Republican? He needs to re-read his New Testament. Jesus was the original bleeding pinko commie socialist bleeding heart lib'rul.
 

pete-rock

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SkeLeton said:
hmmm, I wonder if Robertson would have been supportive of Pinochet if he had some investments on Chilean copper, and would have probably ranted that Pinochet saved Chile from those evil godless Coummunists!
No, Robertson would have supported Pinochet if he had said, "I am not your leader, Jesus is!"

I think Robertson's investment interests are secondary to his pro-fundamentalist Christian interests.
 

PlannerGirl

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I dont think Robertson has ever been in control of all his marbles

I have to wonder what sort of folks give this guy their money and seemingly think hes the mouth bit for G*d

sigh hes one of the reasons I walked away from Christianity
 

Miles Ignatius

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Continuing Indignities of Our Time.....

Robertson has done far more damage to the cause of responsible Christian leadership than his ignoramus ego will ever realize. I wonder when some of his "flock" will wise up and "get a rope." Oops, I forgot, they're supposed to "forgive" the bastard....
 

BKM

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I don't know. Mods: If this is offensive, please delete.

I am not meaning to be a troll here. But, this argument always bothers me a bit. Maybe I am not willing to give a pass to the liberal churches.

The Bible is not a warm and fuzzy document, and Christianity/Old Testament Judaism are not kind, inclusive National Council of Churches religions. Maybe Pat and his ilk are right, in the light of their own faith.

For every loving God or wise leader in the Bible, there are a dozen genocidal maniacs and mass murders. Maybe Pat and his dreams represent what the Biblical God calls for-particularly in the Old Testament. Christians are to rule over the heathen. Nor do much of the writings of Paul suggest much kindness.

As the Bible itself says, lukewarm religion will be "spat out" of the mouth of God.

More and more, I wonder if the Gnostics are right. (The universe was created by an insane dark force that fell from the true god, who is separate from physical reality.

Oh well, please ignore this confused rant.
 

Greenescapist

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BKM said:
I don't know. Mods: If this is offensive, please delete.
I don't think you said anything offensive at all. This is just a discussion. With all of the offensive stuff to come out of Christian/Catholic churches lately, maybe you're not far off the mark.
 

BKM

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Its just that I got into a discussion over at www.morons.org (a great (but "fabulous") liberal/libertarian/skeptic site) with a self-described liberal Christian about this very topic. He ended up arguing that he picks and chooses pieces from the Bible to believe in. I told him he was guilty of the same mistake that the fundies make, and that his religion is not all, or even mostly, sweetness and light.
 
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