yeah, ack. I need to show a picture from a work day. I think its good to see the rural people coming to the city and thats exactly who those people are, and they're from Illinois not Missouri. The "liberal", "understanding" Northern Illinoisans should be more "liberal" and "understanding" about it's neighbors to the south.jordanb said:Just so you know, that picture totally reinforces my Northern Illinois stereotype of Missourians. Especially the guy in the florecent blue wifebeater.
Since when has bread and butter been midwestern? More to the point, what is "midwestern," exactly? Is Ann Arbor midwestern? I get a sense that there is a "midwestern" culture but now I wonder if that's just because I grew up believing in it, as I can't think of anything that you can really associate with it.**NEWSFLASH** CHICAGO IS AS MIDWESTERN AS BREAD & BUTTER.
Those places are for tourists and suburbanites. I spend very little time in ether of them. Next time you're in town, go out into the neighborhoods, I've not spent as much time as I'd like in St. Louis, my mother is a Cardinal fan so I've been to that concrete donut you pass off as a baseball stadium and around town a bit with suburban family members, but not through the neighborhoods so I can't comment on it. I do know, however, average every day people in Chicago live significantly different lives and have a different outlook on things than average downstaters do. I can say that becuase I've spent a good deal time in both places. I prefer to live in the city for various reasons, most of them have to do with sprawl.While you have your glitzy Michigan Avenue and Near North glamour,
Since when has New York not been blue-collar, beer-guzzling and baseball-loving? I think Chicago and New York have a lot in common, and I think Jane Jacobs suggests why, increased population density and more outside contact breeds more diversity. Granted, it's on a much smaller scale in Chicago, but I think that has more to do with Chicago being less than half New York's size than it being midwestern.Chicago is still a blue-collar, beer-guzzling, baseball-loving city, not unlike St. Louis, Cleveland and Detroit. In fact, there's probably more white trash in Chicago than in St. Louis simply because there are more people there. Get off your high horse, Chicago is not New York. You're really not that different from people in other major Midwest cities.
Of course it is, but it's also "stupid" to assume there's no functional or ideological difference between the city and country. I am fully aware of the economic interdependency between the two, and I can appreciate why people would want to live in the country rather than the city. They both have advantages and disadvantages.but when I come back home thinking I'm all macho because I live in the "BIG CITY" I look at myself in the mirror and realize how stupid that is.
I've found it to go both ways, the city considers the country to be rustic, and the country considers the city to ether slumy or monied. Those beliefs are as old as the differentiation between the places. It's human nature to believe that the place where one lives is superior.Often the more dominant culture, usually the bigger cities, assume that their culture is the correct one and if you do not follow their culture then you're an ignorant person.
Firstly, how many of your friends are seasonal college students like yourself? Secondly, it's absurd to suggest that there's no ideological difference between Chicago and O'Fallon. Do you thing O'Fallon's city council would condemn the attack on Iraq? The sprawl tends to be libertarian because people who've decided to live in a community-less development to get away from the bothers of community don't tend to want to be responsable for one, but the country has always been socially conservitive, and the city has always been socially liberal.Where I live there are people against the war and there are people for it. In Chicago I had many friends for the war and many against it.
I think the problem is that this started out with my tasteless dig at Missouri. Now you're operating with the assumption that I have something against Missouri and rural people. I meant the statement to be interperted in much the same way my sister's insistance that Missourians can't drive is interperted by her friends from Missouri, as good-natured regionalisim. I think the use of the term 'wifebeater' was my biggest mistake, that word has such a strong connotation that it makes people emotional.I'm not attacking you or anything, I've just been hearing this type of stuff over and over again. I had to let it out.