Absolutely! Positively!Or are they?
I would say that not only are they more critical of other people than men are, but more critical of themselves as well.And I think it is very safe to say that *in general* women, as a whole, are a lot more insecure than men.
jtfortin said:I have noticed that women in clerical/secretarial positions are often catty around women in professional positions.
jtfortin said:Many, but not all, women are more critical of people, especially other women. Every single place I have worked there have been problems between women co-workers. I have noticed that women in clerical/secretarial positions are often catty around women in professional positions.
I had a hard time with this in SC - I got along great with the admin when I was an intern, but once i was hired on full time, a couple problems arose.jtfortin said:Many, but not all, women are more critical of people, especially other women. Every single place I have worked there have been problems between women co-workers. I have noticed that women in clerical/secretarial positions are often catty around women in professional positions.
Michael Stumpf said:Bring your man a cold beer or two.
jtfortin said:I have noticed that problems usually arise when the woman in the professional position are around the same age as the secretaries. The older secretaries treat the professional women with respect. The ones the same age treat them with contempt. I think they probably look at the woman in the professional position and become jealous that a person their age is in a great position and usually makes double what the secretary makes. I guess it goes back to the insecurity thing.
Tranplanner said:I really can't understand why you're still single Mike![]()
i don't know. i do know that this is a general problem a lot of my friends have, even with male co-workers. and i have heard a lot of, especially with volunteering things, "Well, how come you[/] don't have time to do xyz, its not like you have kids or anything."Beaner said:Interesting. Let me throw this one out there: Assuming the professional assistants and executives are the same age, do you think it makes a difference if the professional assistants have children and the executive does not?
Michael Stumpf said:So tonight, ladies, build your self esteem. Bring your man a cold beer or two.
KMateja said:
i don't know. i do know that this is a general problem a lot of my friends have, even with male co-workers. and i have heard a lot of, especially with volunteering things, "Well, how come you[/] don't have time to do xyz, its not like you have kids or anything."
WTF? i just think that's so crappy.
its not like you have kids or anything.
jtfortin said:People with kids get away with a lot more. One person here leaves early or comes in late all the time because her kids are in trouble or her kids (who I believe are teenagers) are sick. Look, I understand if you have to leave early in rare circumstances, but 2-3 times a week is a crock. It seems like having kids is a carte blanche for coming and going as you please. Nobody ever second guesses them either.
I can't wait til I have kids. If I want to leave early for a baseball game or to beat traffic when I am going on vacation, I will have a nice built-in excuse.
NHPlanner said:
A lot of it IS legitimate.
jtfortin said:
Not with this particular lady. 1/4 is legit, 1/4 is questionable, and 1/2 is bs.
jtfortin said:People with kids get away with a lot more. One person here leaves early or comes in late all the time because her kids are in trouble or her kids (who I believe are teenagers) are sick. Look, I understand if you have to leave early in rare circumstances, but 2-3 times a week is a crock. It seems like having kids is a carte blanche for coming and going as you please. Nobody ever second guesses them either.
Michael Stumpf said:
Think of the military. How many times have you heard people moan about how somebody in the reserves shouldn't have to be activated because they have a kid? ... WTF?
bturk said:
*looks at Mike D*
No, I'm pretty sure it's the men at the top of the ladder that try to keep the woman down by trying to belittle their existince all the while trying retain their manly, important, reputation.Assuming that most women are the primary caregivers, do you think that's why national statistics show that women, on average, get paid less than men?
So tonight, ladies, build your self esteem. Bring your man a cold beer or two.
SW MI Planner said:An example.....
Jen said:same with superficial whiny guys who hold grudges.
SW MI Planner said:
No, I'm pretty sure it's the men at the top of the ladder that try to keep the woman down by trying to belittle their existince all the while trying retain their manly, important, reputation.
Michael Stumpf said:
Hey, if a woman wants to be on top, I'm more than willing to help her climb the ladder.
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TexasPlanner said:I'm always willing to hold a good man down.
And for the record, I do have an uncanny ability to put people down/in their place, but I don't do it for pleasure, I do it only if provoked and in the *right* setting. I would never lash out at a co-worker, but you can believe I would make sure I played the game right if it was a male co-worker.
I really hate the competion between women- like we're out for blood. There is one up here who is fairly vulgar and a bulldog and can't understand why she hasn't met a man- duh- it's because you're one of those women! I have no problem getting men beer, my philosophy, I'm happier when they're too busy watching tv to give me crap and it gets me what I want in the long run.![]()
Beaner said:Assuming that most women are the primary caregivers, do you think that's why national statistics show that women, on average, get paid less than men?
Beaner said:Assuming that most women are the primary caregivers, do you think that's why national statistics show that women, on average, get paid less than men?
SkeLeton said:Now going back to the subject...
I think that women tend to be more hypercritical, because they are more concerned about details than men. From when are women are concerned with details? I'd think it's from pre-historical times, because women were dedicated to recolection of vegetables and fruit, men hunted. This doesn't mean that men can't have a concern for detail or if they do they're gay... It's more of a mindset and eye sharpness, it doesn't have to do much with sexuality.
So women tend to criticize more than men because they see more things and generally more faults, because in pre-historical times it was their responsability to bring the best vegetables and best fruit for the group.
That's my explaination...quite simple.
TexasPlanner said:
I'd have to say it was our desire to pick the best mate that made us so hypercritical, not our vegetable picking skills.![]()
Shoot, I'll get you a beer as long as you pick up mine tooOK, now that I've bashed my own sex a little, one of you gals want to bring me a beer?
TexasPlanner said:
I'd have to say it was our desire to pick the best mate that made us so hypercritical, not our vegetable picking skills.![]()
Beaner said:
Both men and women are detail-oriented. It depends on the activity and if they are serious or passionate about it. The question shouldn't be "Are women more detail-oriented than men?" but rather, "For men and women, which activities promote a high level of attention to detail?"
Michael Stumpf said:
Picking men, picking vegetable, isn't it all really the same thing?
bturk said:
Only if you're picking cucumbers.
KMateja said:
There was an article in last week's paper about a study that was just published that basically put out there that when shown a photo that is highly emotionally charged is shown to a group of people, the women consistently remembered more details about the photo than men did, and when they did the brain scan or whatever, women had 3 times as many regions of their brain triggered than men did. I'm trying so hard to find a link to the article, it was pretty neat.
jtfortin said:
I recall hearing of another study that said that if a woman is attractive, men will forget the first 15 seconds or so of what that woman is saying. If I can find it online, I wll post a link.